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The dangers of pork
Cato:
Personally I believe the religous rules against consuming pork are just that, and as a matter of honourable tradition and culture are entirely fine. However, with regard to attempting to justify it on health grounds I have a problem - I would respectfully disagree with most of these arguments, except for the tapeworm danger. Probably this is why the Muslims and Hottentots also refrain from eating pork. As for the character of pigs, I am told that in the wild they are very clean, and devoted to their young. But why the passion? If you don't want to eat it, don't. Personally I find pork and it's derivatives (bacon, ham) delicious. If someone doesn't like the taste then, again, why eat it? It's a personal matter. As for circumcision, which to my mind is a totally different matter, again the muslims and hottentots would agree with you forcefully. My understanding is that circumcision is not the only cause of sexually transmitted diseases, but again this is a personal matter and I cannot understand why anyone should wish to dictate on this except on grounds of religous tradition. As a medical lecturer once said, you can indeed catch syphilis on a toilet seat but this is one hell of a place to do it.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: carreg on February 06, 2009, 01:06:50 PM ---Personally I believe the religous rules against consuming pork are just that, and as a matter of honourable tradition and culture are entirely fine. However, with regard to attempting to justify it on health grounds I have a problem - I would respectfully disagree with most of these arguments, except for the tapeworm danger. Probably this is why the Muslims and Hottentots also refrain from eating pork. As for the character of pigs, I am told that in the wild they are very clean, and devoted to their young. But why the passion? If you don't want to eat it, don't. Personally I find pork and it's derivatives (bacon, ham) delicious. If someone doesn't like the taste then, again, why eat it? It's a personal matter. As for circumcision, which to my mind is a totally different matter, again the muslims and hottentots would agree with you forcefully. My understanding is that circumcision is not the only cause of sexually transmitted diseases, but again this is a personal matter and I cannot understand why anyone should wish to dictate on this except on grounds of religous tradition. As a medical lecturer once said, you can indeed catch syphilis on a toilet seat but this is one hell of a place to do it.
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You are somewhat correct, that the main intention and reason is because G-d said soo, BUT it is also great to then say the logical reasons that are discovered hundreds or even thousands of years later. This goes for circumcision, for Tefillin (meditation tool, makes one reach high auro levels smarter, etc.) , not wearing shatnez (which was discovered by Japanese to cause cancer), and many many more. When said correctly it causes people to see that G-d is Great and what He says is for the best and for our welness in this world and the next.
When used innapropriatly then it is bad. For example someone saying- pigs are not kosher because (and only because) at the time of the giving of the Torah, pigs were dirty, but now we can raise them clean so therefore they are okay to eat.
Ulli:
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on February 06, 2009, 09:06:54 AM ---Pheasant those swiss farmers are probably very skinny because they have worms from all the pork they eat.
I advise people to research the above facts I posted. The diseases people can get from eating pork and the diseases men can get from not being circumcised are very serious! Trichinosis, cancer and syphilis are very difficult or impossible to cure. Is Hashem punishing people for not fallowing the Torah?
Yeshayahu 66:17 –
Hamithqadshim wehamitaharim el-haganoth ahar ahath batawech ocheley besar hahazir wehasheqets weha'achbar yahdaw yasufu neum-Ahdoshem
(Those who sanctify and purify themselves, in the gardens, behind one in the midst, eating pig's flesh, detestable things, and the mouse, will perish together, says G-d)
Shabat shalom and enjoy your kosher meal tonight!
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I think, that the worm danger is only serious, if you don't heat the meat enough.
In my country there is a tradition to eat raw pig meat, which is put into a passing machine. It is called "Mett". It is served with salt & pepper as well as fresh thin sliced onions.
This is indeed dangerous. I have eaten this kind of dish twice. Friends of me have invited me to.
But this is dangerous, like pufferfish.
All protein-chains break at ca. 70 degree celsius. The DNA is destroyed too at this temperatures.
Please read this issue on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denaturation_(biochemistry)
Cato:
I have never eaten raw pork, and would never do so for obvious health reasons. However, I did once attend a German Embassy reception in which they served raw minced beef mixed with onion - a sort of "steak tartare". I ate it voraciously and thoroughly enjoyed it. In France I pursue steak tartare but rarely find it nowadays - I believe that there are again parasite concerns, which has lead to them often using horse meat instead of steak. But I guess a rare steak is much the same sort of thing, though there the variant CDG is probably nowadays a far more serious threat.
Now I'm going to shut up and get out of this Torah-Jewish Idea forum before I seriously offend someone..
Sefardic Panther:
Carreg the way I look at it is this the Torah and Judaism is not a religion it is fact!!! The Torah was revealed to the Yehudim just as in a manner of speaking the law of gravitation was revealed to an english man sir Isaac Newton. I am not an english man so if I jump out the window will the law of gravitation not apply to me?
Don’t get me wrong I am not saying that the Toranic laws were only given for health reasons. My interpretation is if Hashem said pork was kosher and beef was’nt then it would be the cow that lived like a rat diseased and eating waste. I think Hashem made the pig dirty because He gave a rule not to eat pork. He has set a trap for people who break this rule.
In the wild pigs are even dirtier and live like rats. In third world countries where there is no sewerage system pigs come and eat the human urine and excrement out of the toilets. Raising pigs clean on modern western farms would not make them clean. I think trichinosis is a physical manifestation of the spiritual damage caused by eating pork and I would bet that if you ate a pig with no diseases (if there is such a thing) the spiritual damage would manifest in some other way.
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