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The dangers of pork
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Fortis on February 08, 2009, 02:40:16 PM ---If a non-Jew avoids eating meat, fish, eggs, onion, garlic, mushrooms, fermented products (including yeast, all year round) coffee, tea and chocolate,
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None of this is unkosher. Only the meat brings an issue of kashrut, which would require proper kosher slaughter to be eaten by a Jew, but a non Jew is not required to keep kosher. And there are other types of food (which you have not mentioned here) which are in fact forbidden for consumption by a Jew, but a non Jew is permitted to eat them.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on February 08, 2009, 03:42:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fortis on February 08, 2009, 03:33:38 PM ---Mushrooms, like all fungi, store carboydrates as glycogen, and do not have cellulose cell walls. In the opinion of most independent taxonomists that places them firmly as animals.
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Anyway mushrooms compose a different kingdom of life- not Animal and not Plant.
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Indeed, mushrooms and other fungi are NOT considered part of the animal kingdom. Fungi make up a separate kingdom.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on February 08, 2009, 10:45:13 AM ---Carreg the way I look at it is this the Torah and Judaism is not a religion it is fact!!! The Torah was revealed to the Yehudim just as in a manner of speaking the law of gravitation was revealed to an english man sir Isaac Newton. I am not an english man so if I jump out the window will the law of gravitation not apply to me?
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This is not a valid comparison because our understanding of the Torah is that the mitzvoth are not binding on the non Jews aside from the 7 mitzvoth set out for bnei noach. It goes without saying that a person can strive for more and is welcome to convert if they wish to commit to all the Torah, but it is not true that mitzvoth "apply" to them (in the way that the law of gravity applies to all things) if they have not converted and are a non Jew. They are simply not chayav (not obligated).
--- Quote ---Don’t get me wrong I am not saying that the Toranic laws were only given for health reasons. My interpretation is if Hashem said pork was kosher and beef was’nt then it would be the cow that lived like a rat diseased and eating waste. I think Hashem made the pig dirty because He gave a rule not to eat pork. He has set a trap for people who break this rule.
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That's nice and all, but it would seem that the way our chachamim understand the Torah is that the prohibition against pork was under the class of mitzvoth known as "chukim." Rashi states this explicitly in several places in his commentary on chumash, and I believe he was citing the gemara. But it seems clear that today there is no logical reason why pork should be forbidden. Medically there is not a problem with eating it. And usually the people who want to argue that there were medical problems with eating pork in the past, and that there were medical reasons for the mitzvoth when they were given, are the people who wish to say that because it is no longer an issue, and no longer a medical problem, the mitzvah no longer applies. I'm not sure how you can argue that eating pork is medically damaging or dangerous today.
ProudAndZionist:
Pork is disgusting food. Brrrrr...chicken is the best! :P
Sefardic Panther:
Nonetheless the kosher dietry laws are still proven to have scientific basis.
The Rambam said that all Mitzwoth including chukim have rational basis (Moreh Nevuchim 3:26).
Worms from pork have infact been found in peoples brains. I BS you not!!!
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/PainManagement/Story?id=6309464&page=1
The argument that pork is alright if you cook it enogh is ridiculous! It’s a well known fact that pigs eat worms and excrement so what you are saying is that worms and excrement are good to eat if you cook them enough.
Even if pigs are raised on modern clean farms their meat will still contain an enormous amount of fat in contrast to other types of meat such as beef and lamb. Pigs are physically very obese animals and they are so enriched with fats that anyone whose diet consists of pork outwardly resembles the animal they eat. Even so-called “lean pork” has more fat because a pig’s fat is intra-cellular (particles of fat inside the cells themselves) while in other animals the fat is found almost exclusively outside these cells in the connective tissues in the form of fat cells. This can be seen when even “lean pork” is fried. It immediately releases fat in a hot frying pan and is usually fried in its own fat.
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