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The dangers of pork
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: muman613 on February 13, 2009, 12:59:55 AM ---Huh? What are you talking about. Satmars are good Jews and I listen to many Chassidic Rabbis, some of whom are Satmar. Who are you to judge them? Now you are really getting on my nerves. You come into the Torah and Jewish ideas forum and start talking like this...
I request that you refrain from this lest I complain to some higher authorities. My patience is running out with some members here, you know who I am talking about..
What other Jews do you curse and speak evil of C.F.? I am really wondering if there is an ounce of humanity in that body of yours. Every single post I have ever read of you was always cursing or speaking ill of somebody. Why don't you do something positive one of these days?
Who here at JTF considers themselves a Shas supporter? I have never heard anyone profess this. I have heard some of the more righteous Jews say that every religious Jew should be respected, and Shas Rabbi should be respected. This is a position I support to, based on very much study of Jewish wisdom.
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The quote of you that I have bolded was completely uncalled for, and I expect an apology. No matter how much we disagree, I have not once insulted you.
And moreover, like I said before, my comments were not even directed at you. There is at least one member here who is extremely pro-Shas, but I did not mean you.
I disagree that most Satmars are good Jews. This is the sect of Judaism whose Rav (Teitelbaum) denounced any and all Zionist Jews and even made the absurd statement that the Shoah was G-d's punishment to Jewry for supporting Zionism. If this was true, then why did a greater percentage of Hungarian Satmars perish in the Holocaust (thanks in no small part to the deal that Kastner [yimach schmo] and his friend Teitelbaum had with the Nazis) than almost any other Jewish group?
Many Satmars actively curse and pray against all Zionist Jews and even consider them goyim. That is an abomination in Hashem's eyes, period.
Chaim has said that a few Satmars very quietly took part in JDL activities to free Soviet Jewry, but they were definitely a minority. Satmarism is a cult of Judaism that should be abandoned for true Torah Zionism.
And finally, I criticized the entire Shas party and its political agenda, not any one person or rabbi.
DownwithIslam:
Muman, we were not referring to you at all. In fact, the shas supporter we were referring to knows who he is. We were not referring to you, honestly. As far as Satmar is concerned, they are not good jews. Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum, the original satmar rabbi, wrote the book vayoel moshe in 1961. The entire book is one big call for the physical extermination of all the jews living in israel. He called them satanic and many other things. all satmars subscribe to that and it's why most children in williamsburg are named "yoel." These are not good jews, they are vile.
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: DownwithIslam on February 13, 2009, 01:51:23 AM ---Muman, we were not referring to you at all. In fact, the shas supporter we were referring to knows who he is. We were not referring to you, honestly. As far as Satmar is concerned, they are not good jews. Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum, the original satmar rabbi, wrote the book vayoel moshe in 1961. The entire book is one big call for the physical extermination of all the jews living in israel. He called them satanic and many other things. all satmars subscribe to that and it's why most children in williamsburg are named "yoel." These are not good jews, they are vile.
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What DownwithIslam wrote is 100% accurate. We were not referring to you, Muman, and Satmarism is a terrible cult that should immediately be abandoned for real Judaism.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: C.F. on February 12, 2009, 07:10:30 PM ---Calling Gentile Zionists "goyim" is a terrible Chilul Hashem and will be cursed.
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That was quite an ignorant statement. You are advised to stop inciting anti-Jewish hatred amongst gentiles by suggesting to them that we are saying anything derogatory. We simply are not. "Goyim" is a word for "gentiles." Goyim means nations. ('the nations' implies, 'the nations of the world' as opposed to the Jewish nation). And YOU Cf, do not decide what G-d curses and what He doesn't. Furthermore, you are ignorant of Jewish law, and regardless, you being a gentile, I would say you have no business attempting to tell us in the Judaism section what Jewish law is about. Take a hike, pal. You have business elsewhere (in the main section). You're out of your league.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on February 12, 2009, 08:39:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: C.F. on February 12, 2009, 07:10:30 PM ---The people who spend all of their energy defending these political prostitutes, and who curse those who disagree with them, are also just as evil. Calling Gentile Zionists "goyim" and "yoshka followers" is a terrible Chilul Hashem and will be cursed. These Satmar-like traitors to the Jewish people will burn in hell forever if they do not repent.
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Huh? Goyim is the hebrew word for Nations... Why would anyone have any problem being called a nation? Everyday I call non-Jews goyim, just as I call Jews Jews... There are Jews, the holy nation, and non-Jewish nations.
I don't know what this gobbledy gook is doing in this discussion of the dangers of pork... What is it you are trying to accomplish here? You are not discussing Jewish nor Torah ideas, which is the sub-section of the forum which you are posting to.
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It seems as though it was a provocation. I think you are responding appropriately, muman. I'm not sure what the intention of the provokation was, but I'm certainly not backing down.
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