MISSIONIZING IS PROHIBITED ON THIS FORUM

[admin]

Missionizing is prohibited on this forum both in private and public messages, whether it is directed towards Jews or Gentiles.

[Ari]

I think this is a good policy.

[Fruit of thy loins]

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[Allen-T]

I think there should also be a rule that people who know nothing about Jesus or the New Testement should keep their uninformed opinions off this forum. Since there are many christians here in JTF it is really not cool when people speak falsehoods about biblical christianity because it is really not possible to address this[our obligation] without stepping, at least a bit, over that line. I have seen several times here people refering to events in history perpetuated by evil men that did terrible things in the name of Jesus and equating these actions with christianity. They talk about historical events without any knowledge or understanding that at the same time these events occurred, real bible believing christians were a seperate, vital, G-d fearing people doing what we have always been doing since Jesus established his true church. Certainly jewish JTFers know what it feels like to be cursed for being a jew by someone that equates you with Ariel Sharon or any other bolshevik jew. If you are not going to tolerate debate when self defence is needed, some other forms of banning need be applied.    

[jsullivan]

I agree with Allen-T. People should not be permitted to offend our many loyal Christian members. We have to create an atmosphere that will enable us to work together with mutual respect.

[kahaneloyalist]

So you are censoring us from statements that offend Christians?

JSullivan, whatever your feelings on Christianity the fact remains that Jesus was at best a Kopher and countless Jews have been murdered, spiritually and physically, by Christians be they Protestant, Orthodox, or Catholic. If you wish us to work together that is your choice but ignoring the long and brutal historical record will accomplish nothing positive.

[jsullivan]

So you are censoring us from statements that offend Christians?

JSullivan, whatever your feelings on Christianity the fact remains that Jesus was at best a Kopher and countless Jews have been murdered, spiritually and physically, by Christians be they Protestant, Orthodox, or Catholic. If you wish us to work together that is your choice but ignoring the long and brutal historical record will accomplish nothing positive.

kahaneloyalist, are you blaming the Christian members of JTF for the past persecution of the Jews? There is no question that for 2,000 years terrible things were done to the Jewish people, often in the name of Christianity. But when you blame the Bible-believing Christians in America for what took place, I disagree with you. There is a real movement of tens of millions of Christians in this country who genuinely support Israel and the Jewish people. In fact, the Bible Belt Christians are more pro-Israel than the Jews.

[Allen-T]

I am not concerned about being offended, only being limited in my ability to dismantle arguments that put ANY Jewish blood on Jesus's hands. 

[Christian Zionist]

I agree with Allen-T. People should not be permitted to offend our many loyal Christian members. We have to create an atmosphere that will enable us to work together with mutual respect.

Shalom Jimmy!

I think this sticky thread is unnecessary!

True Christians supporters of JTF should be distinguished from groups like Jews for Jesus.  Many sincere Christians know that the activities of groups like Jews for Jesus have caused more damage to the cause of Christianity than good.


The word missionary in Latin means apostle in Greek which means one who is sent forth.  Jesus commissioned His apostles to preach Christianity to people who have NEVER heard the message of Christianity.  I am sure all Jewish members of this forum and even Chaim himself know the message of Christianity.  They all know what are our Christian beliefs about Jesus, Trinity, New Testament etc.  Likewise I am certain that most of the Christian posters here (if not all of them) know something about Judaism and why Jews reject Jesus as their Messiah.  Therefore both Jews and Christians have been preached to about each others beliefs.

I have read and heard about becoming an Orthodox Jew is a process that requires rigorous discipline, commitment and dedication.  They do not want shaky converts to corrupt their religious institution.  Similarly according to the New Testament becoming a Christian requires discipline and dedication.  Missionising is different and the act of conversion is different according to the New Testament.  The real conversion process is performed by Ruah HaKodesh, the Holy Spirit and NOT by a human being.  Jews for Jesus and other similar groups think they can convert people by their own efforts.  They assume the role of Ruah HaKodesh which trivializes the deeper meaning of Christianity.

[jsullivan]

The problem with this subject is that it usually leads to Jews and Christians fighting each other instead of fighting their common enemies. And their common enemies are not only the Muslims. The enemies of the Jews and the Christians are also the traitors in America and Israel who destroying both countries.

JTF believes that we can fight together for a common cause despite our different beliefs. kahaneloyalist, in my opinion, you agree with JTF's general principles on Israel, but you disagree with JTF on working with the Christians. There are Jews on this forum who disagree with Chaim and JTF on this issue. But that is JTF's policy. This is nothing new. When Chaim ran the JDL in the 1980s, 50% of the members were Gentiles, and most of the Gentiles were Christians.

I understand your strong feelings. But starting fights between Jews and Christians on this forum only plays into the hands of our enemies.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

countless Jews have been murdered, spiritually and physically, by Christians be they Protestant, Orthodox, or Catholic.

It is certainly true that we all MUST confront this abominable legacy and not try to deny it, but I will, again, categorically deny that the monsters who participated in pogroms and inquisitions in Jesus' name practiced any form of real Christianity.

[Sarah]

Heyyyy but the Topic states simply that missioning -to convert-is prohibited but there was no suggestion or discouraging of the relationship between Christians and Jews on JTF. Think about it this way, did righteous gentiles kill Jews? No. Did JTF Christian members kill Jews? No- well I don't think so. Did the medieval unknowledgable people who enjoyed aggression and happened to be Christians, kill Jews? Yes. Theres a big difference and the murders where certainly not based on religious principles.
JTF is the " Jewish Task Force", which has its policies about world issues and situations. Missionizing will draw the attention away from such policies and bring new and possibly not very good consequences.
Plus its quite pestering.

[MarZutra]

I feel that it is a very good policy for JTF not to tolerate any Missionary actions by Jews for Jesus, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Moslems and most certainly Socialists/Communists/Secular Humanist Judenrot scum.  Any and all of the aforementioned will know, if they are thinking people, that JTF is open for discussion and debate but not missionary work.....

In any case, my response to them is: http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/pdf/EnglishHandbook.pdf

Hillel (ca. 50 BCE-10 CE) so nicely stated: "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor: that is the whole Torah; all the rest of it is commentary. Go learn it."