Why does everyone here insist Obama is a Muslim?

[eb22]

Dawn,    I certainly like the slogan that you came up with.      I only wish though that those in the " middle "  had more common sense.     

It's very likely that the media will be supporting Obama to be re-elected.     Even if Obama's decisions leads to disaster both in terms of the economy and terrorism  (  overall national security  ),    the media probably will put the blame on the G.W. Bush administration for their policies from 2001 to the beginning of 2009.       Of course overlooking the fact that the Clintons appeasement policies and Affirmative Action emphasis in the housing and financial sectors were a substantial factor in causing problems for G.W. Bush and co.     The media will go out of its way to support liberals,   especially those who are Black and / or are Muslims.

From the Judaism perspective,    the mother's religion determines the religion of the child.       In Islam though,    if the father is a Muslim,    the child is a Muslim.       In Islam,   if one leaves the " religion ",     death is the punishment.     Louis Farrakhan's seal of approval of Barack Hussein Obama reinforced my opinion that Obama is still really a Muslim but he is acting as a Christian for political purposes.      Hence most other Muslims believe that Obama is using Taqiyya with Infidels.

In Judaism,    one isn't allowed to marry outside the Jewish faith unless the non Jewish person converts.    It can't be a half hearted conversion.      Having said that,    a Jewish person marrying a Muslim probably would be one of the absolute greatest sins a Jewish person can make.       If anyone has additional info about this,   by all means please share it.     

[GoIsraelGo!]

What is a person's religion born of a Jewish women and a muslim man?

That is a good question. My niece is Jewish and she is married to an Iraqi Jew. Her Mother in law is Jewish and she has a sister who lives in Iran. Her sister is Jewish and married to a Moslem ( they don't talk about that ) anyways the Jewish sister of my niece's Mother in law has raised her children Moslem because her husband demanded it. Women in Iran have little or no rights and I suspect that any Jewish women living in Iran that are married to Moslem men are forced to raise their children as Moslems. Does this mean that the children are not Jewish because they are being raised in the fathers cult? I don't know the answer to that.

                                                                  Shalom  - Dox

[arksis]

Sounds very complicated Elizabeth!

[Spectator]

Women in Iran have little or no rights and I suspect that any Jewish women living in Iran that are married to Moslem men are forced to raise their children as Moslems. Does this mean that the children are not Jewish because they are being raised in the fathers cult? I don't know the answer to that.

According to Judaism, the children are Jewish. They can have Moslem mentality, speak Farsi or Arabic, be members of terrorist organizations etc. but they are Jewish according to Jewish Law. Nothing can change it.

Such tragic case is called "tinok she-nishba" (captured baby) in Judaism.

[eb22]

Women in Iran have little or no rights and I suspect that any Jewish women living in Iran that are married to Moslem men are forced to raise their children as Moslems. Does this mean that the children are not Jewish because they are being raised in the fathers cult? I don't know the answer to that.

According to Judaism, the children are Jewish. They can have Moslem mentality, speak Farsi or Arabic, be members of terrorist organizations etc. but they are Jewish according to Jewish Law. Nothing can change it.

Such tragic case is called "tinok she-nishba" (captured baby) in Judaism.

 
  For those children to truly be able to practice Judiasm,    they will probably have to go to a non-majority Muslim country.     Their lives at a great risk if they practice Judaism in Iran.     

[Spectator]

Women in Iran have little or no rights and I suspect that any Jewish women living in Iran that are married to Moslem men are forced to raise their children as Moslems. Does this mean that the children are not Jewish because they are being raised in the fathers cult? I don't know the answer to that.

According to Judaism, the children are Jewish. They can have Moslem mentality, speak Farsi or Arabic, be members of terrorist organizations etc. but they are Jewish according to Jewish Law. Nothing can change it.

Such tragic case is called "tinok she-nishba" (captured baby) in Judaism.

 
  For those children to truly be able to practice Judiasm,    they will probably have to go to a non-majority Muslim country.     Their lives at a great risk if they practice Judaism in Iran.     

Yes. And if they don't have an oppurtunity to find out what Judaism is, they are not required to practice it. Judaism itself says so.

[GoIsraelGo!]

Sounds very complicated Elizabeth!

Hi Dawn, it's not complicated at all, the only thing is we are not allowed to bring that up in front of her in laws.
I tried to delve into this further by playing 20 questions to my niece, but my niece asked to not bring it up again.
It is a very touchy subject and my niece's Mother in Law is terribly embarrassed about this.
I don't blame her and I pity my niece's Mother in law because she is a wonderful Jewish woman who is very sorry
for her sister and she has not seen her in 30 years.


                                                        Shalom - Dox

[arksis]

I can only imagine how hard this is with all the families, such heartache! My heart goes out to all of you that are affected by this. All you can do is pray for them and hope for the best.

[muman613]

I am completely sick of Assimilation. It is a plague on the Jewish people and I have been guilty of being enticed by the non-Jews to marry out of my religion. All Jews should be educated on why it is important to continue the Jewish faith by Jewish men marrying Jewish women.  My family has been completely decimated by Assimilation in America.

[The One and Only Mo]

A lot of my family has inter-married also. But I can't blame people who don't give a sh*t about religion for not knowing any better. We can't expect a first grader to know calculus, and as hard as it is for me to admit, we can't expect these "Goyisha Jews" to appreciate religious values.

[A True Conservative]

Just one more thing about Obama and Islam. Obama can't be a Muslim by just believing Muhammad is a prophet which he might believe. Baha'is also believe Muhammad is a prophet too but they are non-Muslims. 

[A True Conservative]

Lisa,

What I mean by this is that everything in Judaism has a logical reason for existing. This is what Halacha is, determining how to go about fufilling the mitzvot. When the Torah says that one must eat Matzah on Pesach, the rabbis have been able to determine from Torah just how much Matzah one must eat, and how long that they have to eat it. The laws of Shabbat are all logically derived from the 39 melachot {creative labors} which were performed by the Israelites while making the Mishkan in the desert. There are many minutia about these laws and many sefers written on the topic of Shabbat observance {all based on logical examination of the scriptures}. When the Torah says to bind the Torah to our arms and keep it like frontlets before our eyes it means the tefillin that men must wear every day during prayer. Without the oral law the Torah doesn't really make much sense.

So what I am leading to is that Judaism is based on very logical precepts extracted from analysis of the scriptures. Many genius Rabbis have spent thousands of years reviewing the findings and looking to the mystical teachings for basis for the halacha. There is reason for every thing we do in Jewish observance.

Since Islam and the other derivative religions seek to satisfy both the spiritual and the intellectual they have adopted similar laws. Is it not odd that Jewish identity is established through the mother, and Islamic identity is established through the father? Is it not odd that Judaism is a religion which stresses making the most of this world and enjoying this life while Islam is a cult which stresses sacrificing ones life in this world in order to gain so-called rewards in the next world? Why does Judaism come down to G-ds explanation to the Jewish people, "I have placed before you Blessing and Life, and Curses and Death, Choose life..." Islam is the anti-Religion to Judaism in so many ways. But just as Judaism requires halacha to define and explain our precepts, so too does Islam use laws and reasons to justify its ideas.

I don't know if I explained my thoughts succinctly. I hope that a ray of my original idea has escaped from my frantically flying fingers...

 

Would you agree that Islam and it's founder are evil?

[muman613]

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Would you agree that Islam and it's founder are evil?

Is that a rhetorical question? Of course Mohamud and his perverted invention of Islam are evil. They have been placed here for a purpose, to be our adversary. A wise man will see the writing on the wall and not cover his eyes to the ugly truth that Islam is the hand of evil in this world. I don't believe in a separate deity who is responsible for evil as many other religions do and I don't want to explain how the Sitra Achra {dark side} is just a manifestation of the hiddeness of Hashem.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/361900/jewish/Kelipot-and-Sitra-Achra.htm

Basically I agree with your point that Islam and it's physical manifestations are pure evil.

PS: Im a victim of Islams attack on America on 9/11 because of my brothers death in the WTC.

[The One and Only Mo]

What's the difference if he's Muslim or not? We're not going to be able to convince anyone, we might as well just trust in ourselves and watch him prove us right.

[A True Conservative]

Is that a rhetorical question? Of course Mohamud and his perverted invention of Islam are evil. They have been placed here for a purpose, to be our adversary. A wise man will see the writing on the wall and not cover his eyes to the ugly truth that Islam is the hand of evil in this world. I don't believe in a separate deity who is responsible for evil as many other religions do and I don't want to explain how the Sitra Achra {dark side} is just a manifestation of the hiddeness of Hashem.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/361900/jewish/Kelipot-and-Sitra-Achra.htm

Basically I agree with your point that Islam and it's physical manifestations are pure evil.

PS: Im a victim of Islams attack on America on 9/11 because of my brothers death in the WTC.

I asked because that quote sounded like you thought some parts of Islam are good like the spiritual thing.

[Dr. Dan]

Why would anyone believe that Barack Hussein Obama isn't a Muslim ??

All the evidence indicates he is a Muslim.

His name is Muslim.

His background is Muslim.

He's slipped up and said he's Muslim.

But here's the most important thing -- He has never renounced Islam.

He once talked about being accused of being a Muslim and jokingly said it would anger his Pastor. He practically renounced it right there.

I find it remarkable that some people so easily accept that Hussein always has been and remains a socialist -- but doubt that he's still a Muslim.

His campaign propaganda was that he's a centrist; a moderate.

But his history with Ayers and a multitude of other dubious characters clearly indicated he's not only a leftist, he's about as far left -- and as big a socialist -- as they come.

People with common sense didn't buy into the 'Obama isn't a leftist, he's a centrist' campaign propaganda -- why would rational people buy into the 'Obama isn't a Muslim, he's a Christian' propaganda ??

Sorry, but believing Obama isn't a Muslim is as silly as believing Obama isn't a socialist.

I think the question about why people at JTF insist Obama is a Muslim needs to be turned on True Conservative.

Why does True Conservative insist Hussein is a Christian ??

Especially when the reality is Hussein was born and raised as a Muslim and has never renounced Islam.   

I don't even believe he's really a Christian either. He's as Christian as his Reverend. It's a perversion of Christianity tailored to suit Black Supremacism. Farrakhan isn't a real Muslim either. All of these people should be classified as Black Supremacists. NOI believes in the space ship destroying the White race and the White race being created by a Black scientist. They believe White people are devils. That's a perversion of Islam too.

WRong, Farrakahn is practically a perfect Muslim as far as I understand...So is Osama bin Ladin...both are pretty much doing what MOhammed did and believed.

[Dr. Dan]

What is a person's religion born of a Jewish women and a muslim man?

That is a good question. My niece is Jewish and she is married to an Iraqi Jew. Her Mother in law is Jewish and she has a sister who lives in Iran. Her sister is Jewish and married to a Moslem ( they don't talk about that ) anyways the Jewish sister of my niece's Mother in law has raised her children Moslem because her husband demanded it. Women in Iran have little or no rights and I suspect that any Jewish women living in Iran that are married to Moslem men are forced to raise their children as Moslems. Does this mean that the children are not Jewish because they are being raised in the fathers cult? I don't know the answer to that.

                                                                  Shalom  - Dox

I will tell you the real answer:

Since Islam is a very false religion and Judaism is a very true religion, in this instance, the children are really Jewish...

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

because he cannot pretend or act as a non-muslim