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Winston Churchill
mord:
Not an anti semite ,read what that guy Martin Gilbert wrote about him
sat_chit_anand:
Not overly keen on Winston Churchill.
In my dreams, Britain would have gone on after defeating Nazi Germany to defeat the Soviet Union, or that Oswald Mosley of the 'British Union of Fascists' would have been Prime Minister and would have prevented the worst of the atrocites of last century.
All of the above are tall orders however.
One can never know, but Churchill was a Tory and a British Imperialist. I honestly believe that Britain under fascism would have been kinder to the subjects of the British Empire. We would have resisted the American financiers as well.
Of course, this is all very difficult, because fascism became anti-Semitic. Fascism failed because it was anti-Semitic and forged the wrong political alliances.
Your thoughts FOTL?
Fruit of thy loins:
--- Quote from: sat_chit_anand on April 02, 2007, 02:32:08 PM ---Not overly keen on Winston Churchill.
In my dreams, Britain would have gone on after defeating Nazi Germany to defeat the Soviet Union, or that Oswald Mosley of the 'British Union of Fascists' would have been Prime Minister and would have prevented the worst of the atrocites of last century.
All of the above are tall orders however.
One can never know, but Churchill was a Tory and a British Imperialist. I honestly believe that Britain under fascism would have been kinder to the subjects of the British Empire. We would have resisted the American financiers as well.
Of course, this is all very difficult, because fascism became anti-Semitic. Fascism failed because it was anti-Semitic and forged the wrong political alliances.
Your thoughts FOTL?
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I have always admired the element of paternalism inherent in fascism. Any political philosophy which is not otherwise evil, but that understands the mindset of young men such as us, and takes us in hand without being class conscious or judgemental, and disciplines us and turns us into men, is righteous - truly righteous. A system that lets young men meander about in the wilderness, and lets people squander their lives because they didn't know what to do with their lives, is a subliminated system of neglect. Maybe the most enviable political system is that which knows best how to dispose of its people, to make people happy if not equal.
mord:
Not all fascists were anti semite franco was'nt and mussolini was reluctant,however most Italians even the ones who accepted Fascism would'nt help the Germans round up Jews as a matter of fact many Italian Fascists went out of their way to save Jews
MarZutra:
That is true Mord. Mosley was an anti-Semite and differed little in beliefs from Adolf Hitler. He'd of been a very negative influence on Britain in my opinion. He was an extreme Leftist and eventually, would have been no different than Stalin. Fascism, like Nazism, nearly always starts off as a "Nationalistic" movement but than, like Communism, use their skills of propaganda and agitation towards expansionism. Churchill's mother was Jewish but from the "enlightened" "Jewish" community of New York. Churchill was an Imperialist, no question, and his White Papers prove that he wanted a "Jewish" Palestine under Britain protectorate. He was no real friend of the Jews. He was a hardened Anti-Communist, for which I like him. He was a British Elitist that should have been given the opportunity to stamp out Communist Russia in 1945 with aid of America...but sadly, the elitists in America and Europe saw fit to "contain" Communism and not defeat it.
I'd say Churchill was to the British what Barry Goldwater was to America. Sadly, Americas Liberal Establishment ruined Goldwater. He'd of been America's greatest President...no question..
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