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Reform 'Rabbi' admits Reform 'Judaism' is not Jewish
« on: March 24, 2009, 10:51:02 AM »
This article confirms what I have believed for a long time. Deformed Judaism is not Jewish at all and the Rabbis want to call it a new religion. This would be fine by me because I don't consider Reform to be Jewish in any way except for ethnicity.



http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/8667

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Adar 28, 5769, 24 March 09 12:10
by Rabbi Avi Shafran

(IsraelNN.com) The title of Reform Rabbi David Forman's column in the Jerusalem Post was certainly intriguing. "Let's Declare Ourselves a Separate Religion", it read.

Israel, of course, grants a large measure of independence to a variety of religious groups represented among its citizenry. Eastern Orthodox Christian religious leaders are empowered to oversee religious rites and determine personal status issues in their community, and they receive funds from the government; the same privileges are afforded the Roman Catholic community, the Muslim, the Bahai and others. Rabbi Forman seemed to be dangling a novel way for non-Orthodox Jewish groups to qualify for their own rights and benefits, to claim their own, so to speak, piece of the action.

Most of the article was a venting of Reform and Conservative ire over the fact that traditional Jewish religious law, or halacha, applied through the auspices of official Israeli rabbinate, governs Jewish status issues like conversion and marriage in the Jewish State. That policy, which has been in place since Israel's birth more than sixty years ago, the writer contended, constitutes a "thrust[ing of] religious medievalism down the throats of a secular citizenry." And as a result, he charged, Israel "is slipping into a theocracy."

The columnist went on to claim that the "Orthodox establishment" is "undermining the cause of peace" - presumably for taking groups like Hamas at their words - and represents "the cohabitation of a chauvinistic theology with a religious ego." The Orthodox, moreover, he wrote, are ensuring "that Israel fits neatly into the Middle East panoply of extremist states."

Then there was more, later in the piece, about the "profane ruminations" and "blasphemous perorations" of some Orthodox rabbis. But you get the idea.

The article, however, contained less heated, more sensible words too. Following the fulminations, the writer offered his honest admission that "the Reform and Conservative movements" are in fact "a separate religion." And so, he continued, the most honest and straightforward way for those movements to attain clerical privileges of their own is for them to admit as much - to declare themselves, as per the piece's title, "a separate religion from Orthodoxy."

A subtle dissembling, though, hides in that last word. For "Orthodoxy" is simply the name that the Reform and Conservative movements gave to what "Judaism" meant for millennia prior - to what those movements sought to supplant when they birthed themselves.

Over scores of generations, until relatively recently, the Jewish religion was synonymous with the belief that the Torah - whose Written and Oral components are reflected and amplified in the corpus of halacha - is divinely decreed, unchangeable and incumbent on all Jews. Movements that chose to put aside that belief, in whole or in part (as by considering contemporary mores to trump the Torah's), separated themselves not from some mere "branch" of Judaism. They severed themselves conclusively from the trunk of the tree; they departed from what constituted the Jewish faith since Sinai. To be sure, their Jewish-born followers remain Jews in every way; a Jew is a Jew, whatever his or her congregational affiliation. But the belief systems that those movements - qua movements - embrace are at irreconcilable odds with the Judaism of the ages, which is based on affirmation of the Torah's timelessness and halacha's sacrosanctness.

So, when Rabbi Forman, after offering his admirable admission, goes on to imagine that a Reform and Conservative self-declaration as a new religion will reduce Orthodoxy to "merely one of three branches of Judaism," he is attempting to have his new faith and delete it too. If he wishes the "non-Orthodoxies" to be considered a different religion, then the theological justification is manifestly there; but let the move be honest, clear and decisive.

If it will be, then the new religion will have legitimate claim to the very same rights, privileges and determinations as are enjoyed by other independent and discrete faiths in Israel today.

Rabbi Forman is confident that, in the wake of the announcement of a new religion for Jews, "Reform and Conservative conversion classes would soar," the halacha-respecting rabbinate's "religious and social influence" would wane, "Orthodoxy's stranglehold on the political system" would be "mercifully loosened", and "vibrancy, inclusiveness and progressiveness" would result.

Perhaps; and maybe birds will sing, too, and peace reign throughout the land. But Israeli polls have shown that, despite determined efforts by the non-Orthodox movements over decades to promote themselves, a clear majority of Israelis - even if they are not personally halacha-observant - still consider traditional Jewish beliefs and law to define Judaism. It is hard to imagine that declaring non-Orthodox movements a new religion will create a flood of applicants clamoring to join.

But whether it will or it won't - or, for that matter, whether or not Rabbi Forman's suggestion is taken up in earnest - by acknowledging the essential disparity between the Judaism of time immemorial and contemporary divergences from it, the rabbi has performed a Jewish public service.

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Re: Reform 'Rabbi' admits Reform 'Judaism' is not Jewish
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 02:45:24 PM »
I have never understood this liberal Judaism.

Imo they should openly admit, that they are atheist or deist socialists, what is the truth.

Why they are playing this games?  ???

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Re: Reform 'Rabbi' admits Reform 'Judaism' is not Jewish
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 03:02:07 PM »
I have seen a curriculum for a Reform yeshiva once where the future "rabbis" spent more time studying the New Testament than they did studying the Talmud.

Is it true, that they divide the law in moral law and ceremonial law, like Paul did?
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Re: Reform 'Rabbi' admits Reform 'Judaism' is not Jewish
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2009, 03:40:51 PM »
I have never understood this liberal Judaism.

Imo they should openly admit, that they are atheist or deist socialists, what is the truth.

Why they are playing this games?  ???


Because they not only want to violate the Jewish Law in order to appease their desires but also to find an excuse, legitimation for that.

It is a very serious sin.
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Re: Reform 'Rabbi' admits Reform 'Judaism' is not Jewish
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2009, 08:02:26 PM »
Judaism is Judaism to me. I didn't like Reform Judaism, thought it was all liberal.... until I went to a Shabbat service at a Reform Synagogue and about every car in that parking lot had an anti-Obama, anti-Liberal bumper sticker. Depends on the Jew. Also, you get dedicated religious Jews and you don't. Ones that take the Torah seriously, and ones that don't.
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Re: Reform 'Rabbi' admits Reform 'Judaism' is not Jewish
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2009, 09:35:10 PM »
Judaism is Judaism to me. I didn't like Reform Judaism, thought it was all liberal.... until I went to a Shabbat service at a Reform Synagogue and about every car in that parking lot had an anti-Obama, anti-Liberal bumper sticker. Depends on the Jew. Also, you get dedicated religious Jews and you don't. Ones that take the Torah seriously, and ones that don't.

That is a naive perspective. Reform 'Judaism' denies the divinity of Torah and as a result they have no concept of Mitzvot. As a result Reform have cut themselves off from the trunk of Jewish belief. As the article states Reform sees itself as a new religion. There is very little similarity between Reform and Jewish thought. The issue is not regarding politics it has to do with the belief that life has a purpose, for the Jewish nation and for the individual Jew. Reform is also the stepping stone to assimilation as most reform families have massive problems with intermarriage while Orthodox has much less.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Reform 'Rabbi' admits Reform 'Judaism' is not Jewish
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2009, 09:38:14 PM »
Growing up reform, I can tell you that Reform 'Judaism' is a joke. Jewish education is so low on their agenda, it's sickening.

I only found out I wasn't Halakhically Jewish when I was about 18. When I turned 18 I wanted to be a Torah Jew. It was the shock of my life when I visited an Orthodox shul and was told I wasn't Jewish. My mother is a Spanish woman who converted to Reform 'Judaism.' So that pretty much left me as a gentile. I properly converted 3 years later and have been on the right road with G-d's help ever since. The Reform movement must be smashed, they have bastardized the word of Hashem.