Nadav, my big disadvantage here is that I do not have time to respond repeatedly to long threads.
a. You agree that we are obligated to hate and even kill Jewish traitors. But you claim that such death sentences cannot be carried out when there is no Sanhedrin.
Wrong! The vast majority of death sentences carried out in ancient Israel were done without the Sanhedrin.
When the Sanhedrin existed, death sentences were very rarely imposed. The standard of proof is so high when bringing someone before the Sanhedrin, it is extremely difficult to get a conviction and a death sentence.
"A Sanhedrin that puts a man to death once in seven years is called destructive. Rabbi Eliezer ben Azariah says: a Sanhedrin that puts a man to death even once in seventy years. Rabbi Akiba and Rabbi Tarfon say: Had we been in the Sanhedrin none would ever have been put to death. Rabban Simeon ben Gamaliel says: they would have multiplied shedders of blood in Israel." (Mishnah, Makkot 1:10).
As you see from this Mishnah, the Sanhedrin often did not execute anyone for 70 years.
But Rabban Gamaliel warns in the Mishnah that this extreme caution multiples the "shedders of blood in Israel". Because if you do not execute murderers, there is no deterrence and there is no justice.
However, kings of Israel can order that someone be executed. This was done frequently. So Israel's political leadership is permitted to execute without a Sanhedrin.
In fact, modern Israel has the death penalty. The extreme leftwing courts never impose it, but the death penalty exists for murder, treason, espionage and a host of other offenses. The religious parties in Israel voted in the Knesset in favor of the death penalty, and they often demand that Arab terrorists be executed. How could all of these rabbis and religious Knesset members call for the death penalty when there is no Sanhedrin?
Obviously, the claim that we cannot kill people without a Sanhedrin is a myth.
b. Your quotes of Rabbi Kahane are also distortions of reality. I knew and worked closely with the rabbi for decades.
If the rabbi had said that he approves of the killing of the Peace Now traitor, the rabbi would have been convicted of incitement and placed in Israeli prison for years. His movement would have been instantly banned. Although his movement was eventually banned anyway and the rabbi was eventually murdered, the rabbi did try to prevent the banning and did want to be able to run until he could actually be elected prime minister. So the rabbi did not make blatantly illegal statements that would have immediately ended his attempts to achieve power. He said what Israeli law required him to say. Let me clarify that in Israel, it is illegal to praise the killing of leftist traitors or of Arabs. But if you praise the murder of Jews by Arab terrorists, as Arab Knesset members do all the time, it is perfectly acceptable.
c. I do want to clarify that we in JTF will not kill Jewish traitors or break any laws. For the same reason that the rabbi had: it is not worth it for us to go to prison over this. But under Torah law, self-hating Jews do deserve death. We in JTF will not do anything to the traitors and we urge our fellow Jews not to risk imprisonment because it is not worth it.
d. You claim that we JTFers call too many Jews self-hating. How sad that someone who calls himself a "Kahanist" has such minimal understanding of these concepts.
You cite the case of Chandra Levy ys"v sr"y. This beast had an affair with one of the most notorious Jew-haters in Washington. The Congressman that this traitor slept with, Gary Condit, voted against Israel even on the most routine matters that passed almost unanimously. Chandra Levy and her self-hating mother enjoyed dressing like Arabs while visiting Arab Muslim Nazi countries. When she came back to America, she found the most vicious married anti-Semite to sleep with.
Nadav, I have to be honest: your lack of Jewish self-respect is appalling to me. If a Serb woman had slept with and supported enemies of the Serbs, don't you think every self-respecting Serb would be delighted to see such a traitor killed? And the Serbs would be right! Why is it that we have Jews, who actually call themselves "Kahanists", who do not want the traitors among their people to be eliminated? This is just sick! Like we have "Kahanists" who praise the traitor Irv Rubin ys"v even after he called for the death of the Jewish hero Jonathan Pollard in front of 30 million people on national television. The rabbi would turn over in his grave if he saw this. The only solace the rabbi would get is that JTF is representing his true legacy.
You also tell us that Yitzchak Rabin and Arik Sharon were not self-hating. They had "secular Jewish pride". Unbelievable! Tell me which Gentile leaders who have nationalist pride would knowingly volunteer to surrender the most sacred parts of their homeland to an enemy that vows to exterminate them? This is your definition of "pride", secular or otherwise? You will not find a single nation on the face of the earth that has leaders that behave with such repulsive self-hatred. But you are upset that we call them "self-hating"!
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