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The Dangers Of Homosexuality
Adrian Wainer:
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on April 14, 2009, 08:43:07 AM ---There is an all powerful G-d and He can do whatever He wants to. My point is we can't.
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Yes we can in so far as it is a matter of free will.
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
muman613:
--- Quote from: Adrian Wainer on April 14, 2009, 11:48:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on April 14, 2009, 08:43:07 AM ---There is an all powerful G-d and He can do whatever He wants to. My point is we can't.
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Yes we can in so far as it is a matter of free will.
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
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All is in the hands of Hashem except for the fear of Hashem. Free will is what allows people to ignore the Blessed one and is the system by which we are tested. If the wicked were struck down with bolts of lightning would there be free will? No, indeed there would be nothing but doing his will. Free will allows people to do what they will and not the will of the L-rd G-d. Even the plagues were not sufficient to overcome Pharoahs stubborn heart.
Hyades:
Well, I was raised in a very modern and open family. Where everyone respects everyone else.
I know I am intolerant with muslims but this is because they are life threatening to me. Homosexuals aren't! I have nothing against it. It is everybody's own problem to do or not do what he wants. And I am not in a position to blame others for their sins since I am not a saint either. Sometimes I eat non kosher food, I have worked on Sabbaths in order to keep my job.
And I know several gays from my former school and even my own uncle. So what? They never did me any harm? So why should I hate them, reject them or treat them bad. If I did that I would think I was superior and the Lord created all humans equal, didn't He?
Why this concern with only 5% of the population if there is a bunch of 1.4 billion ready to end up with everything that really matters: The entire Judaism, the State of Israel, Europe, US and Christianity! And being medievally intolerant to others will only generate more intolerance as well. That goes to the Jewish, Catholic and Pentecostal Christians who put the moral above everything and forget to care of their own lives an defend it against real threats! :)
muman613:
--- Quote from: Hyades on April 14, 2009, 04:33:14 PM ---Well, I was raised in a very modern and open family. Where everyone respects everyone else.
I know I am intolerant with muslims but this is because they are life threatening to me. Homosexuals aren't! I have nothing against it. It is everybody's own problem to do or not do what he wants. And I am not in a position to blame others for their sins since I am not a saint either. Sometimes I eat non kosher food, I have worked on Sabbaths in order to keep my job.
And I know several gays from my former school and even my own uncle. So what? They never did me any harm? So why should I hate them, reject them or treat them bad. If I did that I would think I was superior and the Lord created all humans equal, didn't He?
Why this concern with only 5% of the population if there is a bunch of 1.4 billion ready to end up with everything that really matters: The entire Judaism, the State of Israel, Europe, US and Christianity! And being medievally intolerant to others will only generate more intolerance as well. That goes to the Jewish, Catholic and Pentecostal Christians who put the moral above everything and forget to care of their own lives an defend it against real threats! :)
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This is a lame excuse Hyades... The Torah is eternal and so is its moral code. Every sin is a sin and to justify it because you sin is just as bad as being gay yourself.
A Jew must be able to control himself... This is why we eat Kosher, this is why we keep Shabbat. We are not animals, we are above them. If you are comfortable being an animal, woe unto you.
You really need to find a nice Rabbi who will teach you what it means to be a Mensch. I am glad you are not a member of my minyan...
PS: Where is Torah does it say that all men are created equal? This is a mistake you have made. Actually we are not all equal... Judaism establishes Levis and Cohens which have special priveleges. So too men and women are not equal in physical nor in spiritual terms. Everyone has a special gift given to them by Hashem, but we all have different gifts. WE are not equal. Some people are smarter than I, some much dumber, some richer, and some poorer. I am ok with this..
Torah says that Man is created in the image of G-d... What this means is that we have the ability to CREATE. Creation is the way man becomes like G-d. I am a creative person and I learn that through my stopping creation on Shabbat that Hashem is the master of the world, and I am not. All humanity has the potential to be like Hashem, but gays have given up the ability to create the next generation. This is a sin, a grave one, and the reasons gay sex will never be acceptable to the L-rd.
I also know some nice gays... That doesn't make me condone that lifestyle of sin... I also know drug dealers and gangsters and I don't condone that activity. I hope to raise up those in sin.
Also who here has suggested being unkind or evil towards gays? I for one have not. I am very kind to gay people and I try to get them to understand the error of their ways. Judaism doesn't condone tormenting someone for their sexual problems. It does suggest rebuking them for their sin.
muman613:
One last question Hyades...
Why did you choose a name which sounds like the name Hades which is synonymous with Hell?
--- Quote ---Nature of Satan
U Christianity's belief in Satan is rooted in the event that took place in the Garden of Eden, where the serpent, believed by Christians to be a manifestation of Satan, is the perpetrator of evil who succeeded in tempting man into disobeying G-d's command not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil. According to the Christian perspective, which is based on a misinterpreted passage from the Hebrew Bible (Ezek 28:13-18), Satan was originally one of the angels in the Heavenly Host, but his rebellion against G-d caused him to fall from grace, ergo the common reference to him as a "fallen angel":
Revelation 12:9(KJV) - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Satan/Devil has his own power and authority, which he uses to oppose G-d and perpetrate evil. This view reflects the influence of pagan religions, such as the religion of ancient Greece, which had Zeus/Hades, and the religion of ancient Rome, which had Jupiter/Pluto. This dualism of the forces of good and evil in a state of constant battle with each other, a state of affairs that will prevail till the "end times", characterized these and other ancient pagan religions.
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