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The Dangers Of Homosexuality
muman613:
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--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on March 15, 2009, 11:12:47 PM ---Whats rubbish Zelhar? The fact that homos get AIDS or the fact that in Israel the ruling atheists allow homos to openly practice their sick lifestyle and even sent the homo dana international to represent Israel in the 1998 eurovision song contest? Unfortunately this is all true. But don’t just take my word for it! Research the facts before calling it “rubbish”!!!
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The Rubbish is the 'Kabalistic' reasoning against homosexuality and also the claim that AIDS is a homo disease.
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I dont know why you say this. Apparently you reject a very good portion of Jewish belief. Kabbalah is not external to Judaism and virtually all Rabbis I learn from teach from the mystical teachings. I dont know if you Study any Torah but the mystical teachings are very important. Kabbalah is an integral part of Chasidus and Sephardi Jewery. And there is much demonstrable truth in these teachings.
I also believe that AIDS is a sign that homosexuality is wrong. In the 80s it first hit the homosexual community. It was originated from monkeys and those who had relations with monkeys, spread to homosexuals who then spread it to heterosexual women.
Harzel:
--- Quote from: muman613 on March 16, 2009, 11:27:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: Zelhar on March 16, 2009, 09:29:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on March 15, 2009, 11:12:47 PM ---Whats rubbish Zelhar? The fact that homos get AIDS or the fact that in Israel the ruling atheists allow homos to openly practice their sick lifestyle and even sent the homo dana international to represent Israel in the 1998 eurovision song contest? Unfortunately this is all true. But don’t just take my word for it! Research the facts before calling it “rubbish”!!!
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The Rubbish is the 'Kabalistic' reasoning against homosexuality and also the claim that AIDS is a homo disease.
--- End quote ---
I dont know why you say this. Apparently you reject a very good portion of Jewish belief. Kabbalah is not external to Judaism and virtually all Rabbis I learn from teach from the mystical teachings. I dont know if you Study any Torah but the mystical teachings are very important. Kabbalah is an integral part of Chasidus and Sefaradi Jewery. And there is much demonstrable truth in these teachings.
I also believe that AIDS is a sign that homosexuality is wrong. In the 80s it first hit the homosexual community. It was originated from monkeys and those who had relations with monkeys, spread to homosexuals who then spread it to heterosexual women.
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I don't pretend to be a religious Jew and meant no disrespect to the Jewish faith. However Kabalah is not a halachic source, no serious rabbi would ever base a religious ruling on the Kabalah alone. Now SP tries to justify homophobia and use Kabalah and mock scientific language to justify this. This type of argument is what I call rubbish: "Homosexuals harm their "sod", hence they get AIDS" now that is an odd mix of bad poor logic, science and religion.
I just don't think homophobia is sanctioned by the Torah. Homosexual relations are forbidden (for no given reason to my knowledge), just as plenty of other activities.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on March 16, 2009, 01:35:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on March 16, 2009, 11:27:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: Zelhar on March 16, 2009, 09:29:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on March 15, 2009, 11:12:47 PM ---Whats rubbish Zelhar? The fact that homos get AIDS or the fact that in Israel the ruling atheists allow homos to openly practice their sick lifestyle and even sent the homo dana international to represent Israel in the 1998 eurovision song contest? Unfortunately this is all true. But don’t just take my word for it! Research the facts before calling it “rubbish”!!!
--- End quote ---
The Rubbish is the 'Kabalistic' reasoning against homosexuality and also the claim that AIDS is a homo disease.
--- End quote ---
I dont know why you say this. Apparently you reject a very good portion of Jewish belief. Kabbalah is not external to Judaism and virtually all Rabbis I learn from teach from the mystical teachings. I dont know if you Study any Torah but the mystical teachings are very important. Kabbalah is an integral part of Chasidus and Sefaradi Jewery. And there is much demonstrable truth in these teachings.
I also believe that AIDS is a sign that homosexuality is wrong. In the 80s it first hit the homosexual community. It was originated from monkeys and those who had relations with monkeys, spread to homosexuals who then spread it to heterosexual women.
--- End quote ---
I don't pretend to be a religious Jew and meant no disrespect to the Jewish faith. However Kabalah is not a halachic source, no serious rabbi would ever base a religious ruling on the Kabalah alone. Now SP tries to justify homophobia and use Kabalah and mock scientific language to justify this. This type of argument is what I call rubbish: "Homosexuals harm their "sod", hence they get AIDS" now that is an odd mix of bad poor logic, science and religion.
I just don't think homophobia is sanctioned by the Torah. Homosexual relations are forbidden (for no given reason to my knowledge), just as plenty of other activities.
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It is forbidden for a very good reason and Kabbalah explains a lot of the reasons. You may question every aspect of Sexual purity laws like why is it required to go to the mikvah after a womans cycle or why cant you have sexual relations with your mothers sister but the answer is all the same. Sexual purity laws are there for the reason that we must use our reproductive organs in a manner which satisfies the first command to Adam and Eve which is "Be fruitful and multiply" and we must do so in a way of Holiness {Kedusha}.
I dont seek to persecute people for this lifestyle but I will not yield in saying it is wrong. And I will respect the Kabbalists who teach this. If you are interested in this topic you should read Tzvi Fishmans blog where he harps on Sexual purity as the reason that the Jewish people still remain in Galut.
http://www.jewishsexuality.com/
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This website is a study of Shmirat HaBrit, based on the Torah, the teachings of our holy Jewish Sages, and the Kabbalah. Shmirat HaBrit means "guarding the Covenant" by observing the laws of proper sexual behavior. The essays posted emphasize the exalted importance of Shmirat HaBrit to the spiritual and material wellbeing of each and every Jew, to the Nation of Israel, and to the world.
In light of the many questions received in response to Tzvi Fishman’s article on the Arutz Sheva website , regarding the Kabbalist, Rabbi Eliahu Leon Levi, shlita, and Shmirat HaBrit, we are making available excerpts from Tzvi Fishman’s newly published book, Secret of the Brit - Torah, Kabbalah, and Sex. These essays may be copied and distributed in order to spread the wisdom and light of the Torah. They are based on the words of our Torah Sages; the secrets of the holy Zohar; and the teachings of the Kabbalist, Rabbi Eliahu Leon Levi, shlita.
Pornoholics Anonymous and its dynamic new Forum are designed to help people addicted to pornography on the Internet escape from its clutches and forge a life-healing connection to G-d.
In addition, the in-progress section on the Art of T'shuva explains the teachings of Rabbi Kook on t'shuva in a clear and concise manner to help readers start out on a joyous new path in life.
Tzvi Fishman was awarded the Israel Ministry of Education Prize for Creativity and Jewish Culture. His books on Judaism and Jewish themes include: "Tuvia in the Promised Land," "Days of Mashiach," "The Kuzari For Young Readers," and four books on the teachings of Rabbi Kook, "Torat Eretz Yisrael," "War and Peace," "The Art of T'shuva," and "Lights on Orot," co-written with Rabbi David Samson.
The Torah learning on this site is dedicated to the rafuah shlemah of Nachama bat Sarah Shaindel, and the aliyat neshama of Elchanan ben Yehuda, z"l.
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muman613:
http://www.jewishsexuality.com/eretz-yisrael/
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The Land of Israel & Tikun HaYesod
The Tikunei Zohar explains that man’s first primordial sin in the Garden of Eden was a sexual transgression. Ever since that time, it has been the task of mankind to rectify this sin which shattered the symbiosis between the Creator and His creation. As we have learned, this rectification is called Tikun HaYesod. Every individual who safeguards his personal sexual life is taking a part in this historic, world rectification.
The Arizal teaches that after Cain murdered Abel, Adam separated from his wife for 130 years, afraid to bring more offspring into the world. During these years, evil forces plagued him, causing him to spill semen in vain. These lost souls were captured by the realm of evil, and with mankind’s subsequent immoral decline, they became imprisoned in the land of Egypt, the sexual cesspool of the world. This is why, the Arizal explains, that the Jewish People had to leave the Land of Israel and descend to bondage in Egypt – in order to liberate these kidnapped souls. This was to bring about a world, historic rectification that would return mankind to its exalted holy status of the Garden of Eden. On a mystical level, these liberated souls were “the great wealth” that the Jews carried out of Egypt on the way to Eretz Yisrael. But with the sin of the Golden Calf, and the sexual transgression that accompanied it, the Jewish People failed in their mission. The awaited world rectification, Tikun HaYesod, was to be accomplished in the future - with the conquest of Eretz Yisrael, with the cleansing of sexual sin from the land, and with the building of the Temple in Jerusalem.
However, this tikun was short lived. With the immoral decline of the Jews in Israel, especially sexual sin, the Temples were destroyed, and the Jews were expelled from their land and cast into exile. Jewish nationhood was destroyed, damaging the channel of Yesod, and cutting off G-d’s blessing to the world, which comes down to mankind through the national life of the Jewish People in Eretz Yisrael.
On a mystical level, this dispersion amongst the impure nations of the world represents the dispersion of the sparks of holiness of the semen that was wasting through transgressions of the Jewish People and captured by the realm of evil.
In Kabbalistic terms, Eretz Yisrael, the Holy Land, represents the female principle of Malchut, the vessel created especially for the development of the Jewish People and for the establishment of the Kingdom of G-d in the world.
Just as the dispersion of the Jews parallels the dispersion of the lost holy souls, it is the ingathering of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel from the four corners of the earth that redeems these scattered spiritual children, reunited the sefirah of Yesod with Malchut.
This ingathering of the Jewish exiles to Eretz Yisrael is the ultimate world-historic Tikun HaYesod, bringing about the redemption of all the lost souls, the redemption of Israel, and the redemption of the world in its wake.
In this light, we can understand the great importance of the rebuilding of the Jewish Nation in the Land of Israel, and also understand why the forces of evil in the world are so against the resettlement of the Jewish People in its Land.
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Harzel:
Muman I have to admit that I Jewish view on sexual purity is the least subject of interest for me. Even so, I completely respect your view about this matter. Now regarding Kabalah- it belongs to the mystic realm. It is not science and not Halacha. I guess Kabalistic reasoning helps some Jews accept or understand better the mizvot, If that is so it serves its purpose. However I don't think Kabalah is a good thing to teach and preach for secular Jews, Jews should accept the Torah and willingly do so. There is an epidemic of Jews who know very little about real Judaism yet for spiritual and even materialistic reasons they follow Kabalah i.e- they do Kabalat shabat, and make a pilgrimage to sages' tombs.
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