Poll

Who do you support in 2012?

Gov. Sarah Palin
17 (48.6%)
Fmr. Spkr. Newt Gingrich
2 (5.7%)
Sen. Mitt Romney
2 (5.7%)
Gov. Bobby Jindal
4 (11.4%)
Fmr. May. Rudy Giuliani
2 (5.7%)
Rep. Ron Paul
3 (8.6%)
Gov. Charlie Crist
0 (0%)
Fmr Gov. Jeb Bush
3 (8.6%)
Gov. Mike Huckabee
2 (5.7%)
Sen. Jeffrey Sessions
0 (0%)
I vote Dem.
0 (0%)
I vote Ind.
0 (0%)

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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2009, 08:27:26 PM »
I agree with Ron Paul on most issues.

I can see why he opposes some of Israel's actions; Israel does a lot of bad things. But what is Israel going to do about the Palestinians? Keep them in open air concentration camps from which they can continue to fire rockets into Israel? They need to be deported or something.

Were Israel to deport all non-citizens residing in Gaza and Judea and Samaria to say, Egypt and Syria respectively, I think Ron Paul of all people would respond by doing nothing. American president who would turn a blind eye to Israel's indiscretions (and perhaps undertake token gestures of opprobrium, by cutting unnecessary aid or giving packs of band aids to the Palestinians) would be ideal.

Israel can't bomb Iran's nuclear facilities now, can it? If Ron Paul was in power, Israel probably would have already done it.

First of all, there is no such thing as a "Palestinian." Second of all, I'm not sure what you mean when you say that you understand why Ron Paul opposes some of Israel's actions. Are you saying that Israel treats the Arabs too poorly?

I'm saying that Israel needs to get rid of them so the entire missile attack/bulldozer dynamic can come to an end.
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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2009, 08:35:32 PM »
I agree with Ron Paul on most issues.

I can see why he opposes some of Israel's actions; Israel does a lot of bad things. But what is Israel going to do about the Palestinians? Keep them in open air concentration camps from which they can continue to fire rockets into Israel? They need to be deported or something.

Were Israel to deport all non-citizens residing in Gaza and Judea and Samaria to say, Egypt and Syria respectively, I think Ron Paul of all people would respond by doing nothing. American president who would turn a blind eye to Israel's indiscretions (and perhaps undertake token gestures of opprobrium, by cutting unnecessary aid or giving packs of band aids to the Palestinians) would be ideal.

Israel can't bomb Iran's nuclear facilities now, can it? If Ron Paul was in power, Israel probably would have already done it.

First of all, there is no such thing as a "Palestinian." Second of all, I'm not sure what you mean when you say that you understand why Ron Paul opposes some of Israel's actions. Are you saying that Israel treats the Arabs too poorly?

I'm saying that Israel needs to get rid of them so the entire missile attack/bulldozer dynamic can come to an end.

Israel does need to get rid of them. Ron Paul is not criticizing Israel for being too lenient with the Arabs. He thinks Israel is being too harsh with the Arabs. He accused Israel of "pre-emptive war" after Israel attacked Gaza.

Ron Paul also believes America should talk with the president of Iran. Not only does he say that America and Israel should not bomb Iran, but he says that even sanctions against Iran are too harsh. He sees Israel as a greater threat to America than Iran and the whole Muslim world.

Furthermore, all of the major white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups endorse Ron Paul, and Ron Paul accepts donations from them. Ron Paul is a pro-Muslim Nazi.

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Re: Updated 2012 Presidential poll (POLL)
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2009, 09:13:28 PM »
How about a recall election! I wish we were powerful enough to get the American people to demand one.
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Re: Updated 2012 Presidential poll (POLL)
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2009, 09:21:38 PM »
Ron Paul supports logical rather than ideological foreign policy. Why shouldn't the US talk to Iran? America isn't talking to Iran now, and so far, that has only been in Iran's interest. A president like Ron Paul would be ideal American president for Israel; someone who doesn't believe in ideological foreign policy and therefore wouldn't do anything about Israel as it broke international law, but similarly, would be compelled to defend Israel if necessary.

Israel isn't bombing Iran now, probably because it cannot get the green light from the United States, because it has to ask. Ron Paul might not support Israel, but he wouldn't expect Israel to ask, either, and Israel's accountability to the United States is a major barrier to progress. Not destroying Iran's nuclear plant yesterday could have dire consequences tomorrow.

There are already millions of Muslims in Israel, and that number is steadily growing. There are really only two solutions to this; one of course is to tear Israel to pieces and give huge parts of it away, and the other is to get rid of them. Israel could expel all non-citizens, but the political cost would be great; an apathetic president like Ron Paul wouldn't do anything about it, and frankly, that would be ideal.
Obama must use a magic 8-ball, because if he were flipping a coin he'd be right about half of the time.

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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2009, 09:47:55 PM »
Ron Paul supports logical rather than ideological foreign policy. Why shouldn't the US talk to Iran? America isn't talking to Iran now, and so far, that has only been in Iran's interest. A president like Ron Paul would be ideal American president for Israel; someone who doesn't believe in ideological foreign policy and therefore wouldn't do anything about Israel as it broke international law, but similarly, would be compelled to defend Israel if necessary.

Israel isn't bombing Iran now, probably because it cannot get the green light from the United States, because it has to ask. Ron Paul might not support Israel, but he wouldn't expect Israel to ask, either, and Israel's accountability to the United States is a major barrier to progress. Not destroying Iran's nuclear plant yesterday could have dire consequences tomorrow.

There are already millions of Muslims in Israel, and that number is steadily growing. There are really only two solutions to this; one of course is to tear Israel to pieces and give huge parts of it away, and the other is to get rid of them. Israel could expel all non-citizens, but the political cost would be great; an apathetic president like Ron Paul wouldn't do anything about it, and frankly, that would be ideal.

I don't understand what good would come from talking to Iran. Ron Paul wants to appease the Muslim world. This endangers Israel and all of Western civilization. A Ron Paul presidency would be terrible for Israel.

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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2009, 11:31:22 PM »
I don't understand what good would come from talking to Iran. Ron Paul wants to appease the Muslim world. This endangers Israel and all of Western civilization. A Ron Paul presidency would be terrible for Israel.

No good comes from not talking to Iran; they're really not accountable to the United States at this point. They are, however, accountable to Russia. Obama's attempts at rapprochement have made it clear that he's just a [censored], but Ron Paul favors talks without preconditions or intentions. Weak countries cultivate anti-American sentiment to foster internal cohesion, and Iran is just such a country. With America as an enemy, Ahmadinejad becomes more popular. Similarly, Chavez, Morales, Retardez, etc... in South America go out of their way to hate America to mollify the public against a common enemy. Talks aren't going to stop Iran from enriching uranium, only Israel can do that. A diplomatic relationship between Iran and the United States, however, would inhibit Iran's ability to retaliate.

Ron Paul doesn't want to appease the Muslim world, he's a man of peace who is opposed to war and really doesn't care what happens beyond America's borders. Were he president, it would be an excellent opportunity for Israel to tie up some lose strings that would probably result in an EU embargo against it, and extreme pressure by various nations on the US to do the same.
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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2009, 11:43:27 PM »
Ron Paul doesn't want Israel to be left alone. He wants it to be destroyed. I have seen his supporters talking on the internet about how they want Iran to bomb Israel.

Here is Ron Paul with two of his Nazi supporters.


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« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2009, 12:02:33 AM »
Yonah, Ron Paulistinian is a Jew hating, Israel hating, Muslim/Nazi sympathizer.

What part of that are you incapable of understanding ?

If you think a Ron Paul administration would be good for Israel or America, you're out of your mind.


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Re: Updated 2012 Presidential poll (POLL)
« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2009, 12:08:44 AM »
The reason Ron Paul is not presidential.... is he is a moronic idiotic hypocrite. 

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Re: Updated 2012 Presidential poll (POLL)
« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2009, 03:17:05 AM »
I really like Palin and Voted for here in the general election. I voted for Huckabee in the Primary because of the Israel issue alone. He is the best one on Israel but I don't see him running again. If we had a Huckabee Palin or Vice Versa that would be the best ticket in my mind.
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Re: Updated 2012 Presidential poll (POLL)
« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2009, 05:48:56 AM »
I voted Gingrich because if the [censored] hits the fan he will have the experience to know what to do, but I am a big supporter of Sarah Palin as well. I wouldn't mind seeing Gingrich in the vp passenger seat and Palin as the President.
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Re: Updated 2012 Presidential poll (POLL)
« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2009, 10:35:40 AM »
Ron Paul doesn't want Israel to be left alone. He wants it to be destroyed. I have seen his supporters talking on the internet about how they want Iran to bomb Israel.

Here is Ron Paul with two of his Nazi supporters.



I doubt Ron Paul knows who Don Black is. I've seen Barack Obama supports talk about destroying Israel all the same; ultimately, you cannot determine someone's policies on the basis of their supporters.

Yonah, Ron Paulistinian is a Jew hating, Israel hating, Muslim/Nazi sympathizer.

What part of that are you incapable of understanding ?

The part about him hating Jews and sympathizing with fascist Muslims or socialist Nazis.
Obama must use a magic 8-ball, because if he were flipping a coin he'd be right about half of the time.

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« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2009, 11:51:44 AM »
If I were American, I'd vote for Ron Paul.

Palin has her convictions, but that's all she has. She's an idiot.

Palin was only portrayed as an idiot by the news media who hated her. As far as I know no one ever got anything over on her fairly. In honest non-edited debate she tore liberals up, even when they ambushed her with loaded questions and set-ups.

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« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2009, 11:58:24 AM »
chad

What? You don't like the desert? ha ha
At least here you are not troubled with things such as mowing your lawn. Actually I am very happy the drought is going away. I have 12 horses and the cost of hay was killing me!!

Where do you plan on going if you don't mind me asking? To Florida to use up the remaining water we have left here in Georgia? ha ha




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Re: Updated 2012 Presidential poll (POLL)
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2009, 12:44:39 PM »
Jeb Bush made sure ape criminals could not vote. Shame that Charlie Crist reversed that law.

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« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2009, 02:33:52 PM »
Say no to Romney and Christ.

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« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2009, 03:39:38 PM »
Say no to Romney and Christ.
Crist not Christ. please don't confuse the two.  :::D
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« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2009, 03:51:51 PM »
If I were American, I'd vote for Ron Paul.

Palin has her convictions, but that's all she has. She's an idiot.

Palin was only portrayed as an idiot by the news media who hated her. As far as I know no one ever got anything over on her fairly. In honest non-edited debate she tore liberals up, even when they ambushed her with loaded questions and set-ups.

Reporters definitely gave her a hard time, and she's definitely an excellent and convicted debater - when it comes to issues of faith and opinion.

She didn't know the answers to a lot of questions she was asked; answers she should have known as a state governor, and especially as a candidate for vice president.
Obama must use a magic 8-ball, because if he were flipping a coin he'd be right about half of the time.

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« Reply #43 on: May 05, 2009, 05:45:03 PM »
I doubt Palin will run in 2012.  After what the media did to her and the the way the GOP stabs true conservatives in the back, I look for her to stay out of the race.  This group is meager at best.  I have to lean towards Romney, only because he is smart and looks the part.  Jindal is a favorite of mine, but he doesn't have the charm or wit to close the deal.

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« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2009, 05:55:08 PM »
I don't think Yonah understands who he is siding with by supporting Ron Paul. Here is a column written a few days ago by a Ron Paul supporter about how the "Israel lobby" is treating Iran too harshly. These people are absolutely insane.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2009/04/30/the-lobby-wants-war/

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« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2009, 06:52:57 PM »
I don't think Yonah understands who he is siding with by supporting Ron Paul. Here is a column written a few days ago by a Ron Paul supporter about how the "Israel lobby" is treating Iran too harshly. These people are absolutely insane.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2009/04/30/the-lobby-wants-war/

Yes... a lot of Paul supporters are actually wacko anti-americans and anti-semites who were desperate to find a GOP Rep. who supported their views that America and Israel cause all the problems.

Paul has said (Several times) that Iran is all America's fault... ,and the few words he said about 9/11 were all in line with Muslims and Anti-Americans... that it was our own fault and America's ties with Israel... not Islam.

This is why he is embraced by Muslims, Nazis, and certain Leftist American Haters.

Oh... and did I  mention he was an idiot?