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Righteous Gentile hero thread
« on: March 30, 2007, 01:02:04 PM »
My first nomination:  Michael Dennis Rohan an Australian citizen who gained worldwide infamy on August 21, 1969, when he attempted to set fire to the Al-Aqsa mosque, located atop the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.  By his own admission Rohan, a Christian, claimed that he was "the Lord's emissary" acting upon divine instructions in accordance with the Book of Zechariah. He claimed that he had tried to destroy the al-Aqsa Mosque in order to enable the Jews of Israel to rebuild the Temple on the Temple Mount. [from wikipedia] Funny how this gentile has more guts to do what the scriptures say than the so called Rabbis.  I heard that R' Kahane Zs'l also tried to bomb the mosque and was arrested. 
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Re: Righteous Gentile hero thread - Gen. Allenby
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2007, 03:35:25 PM »
It is amazing how God answers our prayers:

The Godly Zionist Christian mother of the would be General Allenby used to ask him to pray for Jews so that they can reclaim their ancient home land.  Allenby as a little boy started praying for the restoration for Israel and God used the same Allenby to conquer Jerusalem.

General Allenby commanded the British troops, and the conquest of Jerusalem was one of his first objectives. But he was in at a real impasse about how to displace the Turks from Jerusalem without destroying it. There was no way to rout the well entrenched Turks in Jerusalem without leveling this historic city, just as the Romans had. Jerusalem was of special concern for Allenby, because as a child his Christian mother would have him pray that God would not forget His ancient people, Israel, and would hasten the day when they would return home. The significance of Jerusalem was not lost on General Allenby!

Out of desperation Allenby ordered a bi-plane to drop leaflets over the city, carrying his signature, commanding the Turks to surrender. When the Turks found out that it was a General named Allenby (to them "Allah"), they apparently took this to mean that God was against them and they evacuated the city! It is also claimed that seeing an airplane in battle for the first time caused panic. Although unaware of it, the Turks were possibly fulfilling another of God's promises of Jerusalem's deliverance made by

Isaiah in 32:5: "As birds flying, so will the Lord of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it."


Whatever the reason, the next morning Allenby awoke to find a delegation from the city waiting to surrender to him-- without a shot fired! Jerusalem was freed on December 9, 1917, one month after the Balfour Declaration was issued! The Jews now had a homeland to return to and a mandate to do it.

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Isaiah 62:1 -  For Zion's sake I am not silent, And for Jerusalem's sake I do not rest, Till her righteousness go out as brightness, And her salvation, as a torch that burns.

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Re: Richous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2007, 08:44:45 AM »
My first nomination:  Michael Dennis Rohan an Australian citizen who gained worldwide infamy on August 21, 1969, when he attempted to set fire to the Al-Aqsa mosque, located atop the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.  By his own admission Rohan, a Christian, claimed that he was "the Lord's emissary" acting upon divine instructions in accordance with the Book of Zechariah. He claimed that he had tried to destroy the al-Aqsa Mosque in order to enable the Jews of Israel to rebuild the Temple on the Temple Mount. [from wikipedia] Funny how this gentile has more guts to do what the scriptures say than the so called Rabbis.  I heard that R' Kahane Zs'l also tried to bomb the mosque and was arrested. 
Yes indeed Mr.Rohan is a rightgeous man
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Re: Richous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2007, 05:20:17 PM »
Righteous is the correct spelling.


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Re: Richous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2007, 05:22:57 PM »
YES LETS NOT FORGET COL ORDE WINGATE he would have been very right wing if he did'nt die in Burma

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). The Jewish population had 400 killed; the British 200. In another significant development during this time the British officer Charles Orde Wingate (who supported a Zionist revival for religious reasons[4]) organized Special Night Squads composed of British soldiers and Haganah volunteers, which "scored significant successes against the Arab rebels in the lower Galilee and in the Jezreel valley"[5] by conducting raids on Arab villages. The squads were rumored to have used excessive and indiscriminate force, which has been cited by Israeli academic Anita Shapira.[6]
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Re: Richous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2007, 05:18:28 PM »
Charles Martel, defended Europa from the onslaught of the Muslim barbarians aka the Moors. It shows who the true master race is (hint its not the sand negro Arabs).



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Re: Righteous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2007, 03:24:30 AM »
My first nomination:  Michael Dennis Rohan an Australian citizen who gained worldwide infamy on August 21, 1969, when he attempted to set fire to the Al-Aqsa mosque, located atop the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.  By his own admission Rohan, a Christian, claimed that he was "the Lord's emissary" acting upon divine instructions in accordance with the Book of Zechariah. He claimed that he had tried to destroy the al-Aqsa Mosque in order to enable the Jews of Israel to rebuild the Temple on the Temple Mount. [from wikipedia] Funny how this gentile has more guts to do what the scriptures say than the so called Rabbis.  I heard that R' Kahane Zs'l also tried to bomb the mosque and was arrested. 
Yup R'Kahane was arrested in 1980 along with Baruch Green (Baruch ben Yosef) for planning on blowing it up.

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Re: Righteous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2007, 02:35:08 PM »
THE ONLY GENTILE HERO IS GOD HIMSELF, NO MORE, NO LESS. GOD, GOD, GOD.

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Re: Righteous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2007, 09:07:23 PM »
Beethoven is a gentile hero.

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Re: Righteous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2007, 10:54:59 PM »
Re:  "Beethoven is a gentile hero."

Not to mention a German hero, and a planetary hero!


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Re: Righteous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2007, 10:06:50 AM »
The number one gentile villan is King Clovis, without a doubt. He destroyed Europe beyond repair.

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Re: Richous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2007, 04:48:16 PM »
Charles Martel, defended Europa from the onslaught of the Muslim barbarians aka the Moors. It shows who the true master race is (hint its not the sand negro Arabs).



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The Moors were not Negros they were mixture of Arabs-Berbers. You only fueling Afrocentric crap, and btw the Moors have occupied Malta, Corsica,Sicily,Sardina, Southern Italian mainland, Spain,Portugal, and Crete, all most all of Southern Europe were at their hands. If they were Negros they would not concur anything. I hate to admit but the Arabs did infact influnece humanity for the better during those ages, the Arab civilization cannot be downplayed. The Moors have also left their gentic and cultural markers on Southern Europeans such as their darker skin, and short height. Sicilian contians few Arabic words, and Spanish has alot of Arabic words throwin. The Maltese were almost Arabized!

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Re: Righteous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2007, 05:04:34 PM »
BabylonianJew, he refers to them as sand nighers because it is a derogatory term for an Arab/Muslim.


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Re: Righteous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2007, 05:09:31 PM »
BabylonianJew, he refers to them as sand nighers because it is a derogatory term for an Arab/Muslim.

oh i see,i thought he actually belived they were Negros. The funny thing is most Arabs hate Negros, the only Arabs that have intermarried with Negros were the Yemenites, the Sudanese are Arabized Nubians. In total Arabs and Mizhari Jews share common DNA markers. The total Negroid ancestory in both populations is 10%. Throwbacks don't even happen in Arab world including Northern Africa, but they do happen in Yemen.

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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2007, 07:11:09 AM »
I personally am from Australia and Rohan is an good example of how rightous people in this country of mine are prepared to go to any length  to save israel from the evil arab nazi's.... if anyone wants an affiliated reaction to evil the "cronulla riots" is another example of how good people can stand up against evil and took place in Australia...

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Re: Righteous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2007, 02:37:08 PM »
BabylonianJew, he refers to them as sand nighers because it is a derogatory term for an Arab/Muslim.

I prefer "Sand Nazis" because "Nazi" is a behavioral choice and not a race. I don't like "Sand Negroes" because it uses "Negro" with derogatory implications, even though most militant "Muslims" are Caucasian. The N word, in any connotation, is highly offensive to African-Americans, so it's a bad idea to use it. On the other hand, saying that militant "Muslims" CHOOSE to BEHAVE like Nazis is not racist.

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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2007, 02:39:50 PM »
The funny thing is most Arabs hate Negros, the only Arabs that have intermarried with Negros were the Yemenites, the Sudanese are Arabized Nubians.

Actually, the Sudanese Islamofascists (Janjaweed) who are murdering and enslaving Sudanese Christians are Caucasians. The Christians are Negroes. So what we have are a bunch of militant "Islamic" Caucasians brutalizing and abusing Black Christians. I don't know if we can equate the Islamofascists to the Klan because their motivation seems religious and not racial, but this should be pointed out to the Left.

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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2007, 02:45:23 PM »
You're all forgetting the greatest of the whole bunch. Look at my avatar.

Here is an extract from Rev Col Stringers book about the Aussie liberators of Jerusalem. Sorry about the christian messages but it can't be helped.

 OUR SPIRITUAL HERITAGE
 Extracts from Col Stringer's book "800 Horsemen"

Jerusalem's Aussie Deliverers

I sometimes am amazed at Christians in Australia. Many ask, what is the future for this country? What plan does the Lord have for this sunburnt land? If one believes that Smith Wigglesworth was a true prophet of the Lord (and I do), he prophesied that these "ANZAC" islands of the South Pacific, (Australia and New Zealand) would herald in the last great move of the Holy Spirit. But do we have anything else to go on? Personally I believe we do. I believe that God is no man's debtor. Many Australians are ignorant of their country's rich history and the much overlooked fact that it was these tiny nations that succeeded in doing what no other on earth has been able to achieve i.e. the liberation of Jerusalem.

Jerusalem and indeed all Palestine had been under Moslem domination since 637 AD. In 1077 the Seljuk Turks had become masters of Palestine. At this time the condition of the Christians became unbearable. The Turks forbade Christian services, devastated churches, murdered pilgrims. In 1095 Pope Urban 11 delivered an address that started the Crusades. He declared "Jerusalem is Umbilicus Mundi" the navel of the world. "This royal city...is in subjection to those who do not know God, to worship of the heathen. Therefore, she seeks and desires to be liberated and does not cease to implore you to come to her aid."

Early Crusaders. In 1099 Godfrey of Bouillon and his knights conquered Jerusalem, following a five week siege. There followed wholesale slaughter of the city's inhabitants, including all of its Jewish citizens, many burned alive in their synagogues. A terrible indictment on Christendom. In 1187 Saladin defeated the Crusaders, re-entered Jerusalem, stripped the cross from the Dome of the Rock, plundered churches and convents, restored all the buildings that had been mosques (notably the Dome of the Rock and the al-Aqsa mosque), while turning other churches into stables or granaries. Thousands of following Crusaders paid the ultimate price with their bones bleaching the barren rocky hills but Jerusalem was to remain firmly in the hands of the Turks right up until this century when 800 Aussie Light Horsemen rode into history and opened the gateway to Jerusalem.

Beersheba - Well Of The Oath. The key to the battle were the Gaza-Beersheba fortifications. Beersheba, meaning "well of the oath", so named by Abraham in the book of Genesis. The well had provided water not only to Abraham, but to Moses and David. Any army approaching its life-giving wells has to march for days through the waterless Sinai desert. All the Turks had to do was hold off an attack for one day and the merciless desert sun would do the rest. Despite constant assaults by the combined forces of the British and Australian armies, the place could not be taken. Then came the fateful day of October 31 1917. The generals were desperate, 50,000 British infantry with tank support had been driven back into the desert. With the sun about to set and with no water for many miles, disaster stared them squarely in the face. The Australian Light Horse Commander Chauvel's orders were to storm Beersheba, it had to be won before nightfall at all costs. The situation was becoming grave as they were in urgent need of 400,000 gallons of water for men and horses.

Chauvel concocted a crazy plan. Why not let his 800 horsemen charge the Turkish artillery? A cavalry charge across 6000 yards of open terrain straight into the face of the massed Turkish guns. It sounded like a recipe for disaster. No wonder the German Officer commanding the Turkish defences described the Aussie Light Horsemen as "madmen!" For a start the Light Horse were not cavalry, they were mounted infantry. They had no swords or lancers but were equipped with rifles and bayonets designed for infantry warfare. But left with virtually no alternative the desperate General gave the order for the last great cavalry charge in history! The 800 young men mounted their magnificent Walers (horses) and lined up to face the Turkish guns, their young faces bronzed and tanned from the desert sun, their emu plumes swaying in the breeze from their famous slouch hats, rifles swung across their backs and bayonets in hand. History was about to be written. These 800 young men were about to open the doorway to the liberation of Jerusalem!

The Light Horsemen charged magnificently across the dusty plains, so fast that the Turkish artillery could not keep pace with them and the "mad" horsemen were able to slip under their guns. As they leapt the trenches laced with machine gun bullets, a magnificent cheer went up from the British ranks, even some of the Turks stood and applauded, such was the magnificence of the feat. Although hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned they charged on. Beersheba - the gateway to Jerusalem, fell that day, not to the Crusaders, not to the British, German or US Armies - but to the Australian Light Horsemen!

Let me quote from the book "True Australian War Tales" by Alec Hepburn. "...the British swept towards Gaza. They stormed the city on 26 March but were thrown back by determined enemy resistance. A second attempt on 17 April also ended in failure. The Turks, with German and Austrians of the crack Asia Corps, stood firm along a fortified line from Gaza on the coast, to Beersheba, near the Judean Hills. The key to victory was Beersheba. Many nations claim to have mounted the last cavalry charge in history, but most of these actions were minor skirmishes of no real significance towards the outcome of the war in which they fought. The Australian Light Horse attack on Beersheba was the last important cavalry charge in history and the last to win a resounding victory that altered the course of a war." (And the course of a nation - Israel).

"The late afternoon sunlight flashing from their bayonets, Australian troopers of the 4th Light Horse Brigade made a proud sight as they spread in a khaki flood over the stony Palestine plain. The thundering hoof beats of their mounts rolled over the arid land ahead like some macabre overture . ... Wearing their distinctive feather-plumed slouch hats at a variety of jaunty angles the troopers seemed nonchalant in the face of death.... Topping the last rise Beersheba suddenly came into sight, the graceful minaret on its Mosque pointing the way to glory, in what was to be the last important cavalry charge in history. Almost as one the big, brown warhorses surged forward in a mad gallop, their hoofs striking thunder from the hard sun-baked earth."

"Then from somewhere within the barbed-wire-encircled town, heavy artillery began firing. The first shells roared overhead, exploding in fiery geysers amid the charging ranks. Yelling men and bellowing horses went down in tangled heaps, their screams filling the choking smoke clouds that swirled everywhere, But not even shrapnel could halt their fierce onslaught. Leaping their mounts over fallen comrades, the horsemen swept towards the Turkish line. Soon the shells were falling harmlessly behind the advancing ranks. With the first gauntlet behind them the Australian horsemen raced into the next. From the flanks Turkish machine-guns took over the defence. Many more men and horses went down, but still they came on. The tough Turkish infantry had been unnerved by the seemingly invincible horde bearing down on them. Wild with fear, for they knew their foe by reputation, the Turks put up a formidable rifle barrage in a frantic effort to stop the mounted madmen. Troopers pitched from the saddle; others had their mounts shot from under them: and yet the suicidal charge swept on. As the Light Horse galloped nearer the excited Turks forgot to lower their sights and found themselves firing high. With bullets now buzzing harmlessly overhead the leading squadrons thundered in line across the last kilometre then jumped their mighty Walers over the trenches."

The rest is history. "Beersheba - well of the oath, was in Australian hands by the time the last rays of fading daylight had gone from the desert sky. This deed would live on as the proudest achievement in the colourful story of the legendary Light Horse, the force that was probably the most uniquely Australian fighting unit ever raised. The Light Horseman was the best mounted soldier in history, finer even than the Cossack or the American Plains Indian."

In fact the British General Allenby rated the Cavalry charge as one of, if not the most magnificent in history. Eight hundred Aussie Light horsemen had achieved what 50,000 British troops with tanks could not do, what even the Crusaders or Napoleon could not do! They had opened the doorway to Jerusalem against seemingly insurmountable odds. Imagine how I felt when I discovered recently that my forefathers were part of that great battle that changed history forever. They were magnificent Light Horsemen! My Grandfather Fred was a horsebreaker for the Light Horse while his three brothers were part of the famous 3rd Light Horse Regiment that took part that day in the great battle for the liberation of Beersheba.

I am in no way attempting to glorify war, it is terrible. But I believe we need "to give honour where honour is due." Many of the Light Horsemen were visibly moved when they realised they had opened the gateway to the Holy Land, a doorway which had been firmly shut for centuries. One writer put it this way "Without the ANZAC involvement the modern state of Israel would not have come into existence!" On December 11th 1917 the Australian Light Horsemen rode triumphantly into Jerusalem, so far from their homes, their emu feathers proudly fluttering in the breeze, to be greeted with a hysterical welcome by Jews and Christians. A far cry from the scenario when Godfrey of Bouillon and his bloodthirsty Crusaders had entered the city in 1099. Centuries of Moslem rule was over. As the triumphant British General Allenby entered the city through the Jaffa gate, his honour guard was made up of slouch hatted Aussies. Opposite him as he stood on the steps of the Citadel of David he was encircled by another honour guard of proud ANZAC Light Horsemen! Their magnificent effort was being honoured by the world!

History has not been kind to these magnificent mounted Aussies. Not only is this magnificent and historical feat not known by the world but even most Australians are unfamiliar with what their forefathers achieved. Even the capture of Damascus was accredited to Lawrence of Arabia and his Arab army, but the truth is the Aussie Light Horsemen had taken the city one week earlier but had to hide out of sight while Lawrence's ego was appeased, allowing him to parade into the city!

Nations Also Have Callings. How many readers are aware of the fact that as many ANZACS have died in the liberation and restoration of the nation of Israel as have Jewish soldiers! When Jesus returns to the Mount of Olives He will descend onto a spot which is overlooked by hundreds of ANZAC Light Horsemen's graves. These men have given their lives for the liberation of Jerusalem. Our young nation (along with New Zealand) has paid a high price in blood. God in His grace and wisdom has honoured our tiny nation by allowing it to be used in the liberation of the very city to which Jesus will return. What an honour for Australia! First the physical and now the spiritual! In Genesis 12:3 God said (speaking of Israel) "Those who bless you will be blessed and those who curse you will be cursed!" The promise of this Scripture is not restricted to ancient Israel. Joel provides the scenario of the final judgment of the nations. The basis for the judgement is determined by how each nation treated "my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land." (Joel 3:1-2)

I believe that the Lord will repay the debt paid in blood by these wonderful young ANZACS and I believe that Smith Wigglesworth's prophecy is about to be implemented. What awesome days to be alive and serving God. What a great day to be an Aussie. Not only is the best yet to come but I believe we haven't seen anything yet! If 800 ANZAC Light Horsemen can rewrite the history books, what can 18 million ANZACS do in the spiritual battle! Fasten your safety belt Aussie Christians as we charge the year 2000 for the Lord!

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Winston Churchill thought he was a military genius; others considered him greatly overrated; a few even thought him mad. Almost sixty years after his death at age forty-four in an airplane crash, Orde Wingate remains perhaps the most controversial of all World War II commanders.

        Born into a fundamentalist Christian sect and raised in the Cromwellian tradition of Sword and Bible, Wingate was an odd mixture of religious mystic and idealist, combining an unshakable belief in an Tanach God with an insatiable interest in music, literature, history, philosophy, and the politics of his day.

        But his overriding and enduring passion was for Zionism, a cause that--although he had no Jewish blood--he embraced when posted to British-ruled Palestine in 1936. There he raised the Special Night Squads, an irregular force that decimated Arab rebel bands and taught a future generation of Israeli generals how to fight.

        In 1941, Wingate led another guerrilla-style force, this time into Italian-occupied Ethiopia, where he was instrumental in restoring Emperor Haile Selassie to his throne. But the campaign that was to bring him world fame was conducted behind enemy lines in Burma, where his Chindits shattered the myth of Japanese invincibility in jungle fighting, giving Allied morale a much-needed boost at a crucial point in World War II.

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Few men have made as outstanding contributions to their country's cause as Orde Wingate, yet few have divided opinion so completely. "We don't want any more Wingates in the British Army," says an Army Council minute written after the end of the Second World War, and after his death. In contrast, no less than Winston Churchill himself said, before the House of Commons, "There was a man of genius, who might well have become a man of destiny."

John Bierman and Colin Smith's enlightening and rigorous biography of this brilliant man amply demonstrates how the conservative establishment of the British Army could come to adopt such an ungracious attitude to one of their most dynamic sons, who contributed so much to the war effort with dazzling performances in Abyssinia and Burma, and so much to future strategic thinking with his bold formulation of new methods. He ruffled feathers with his uncompromising style, unconventional thinking, and eccentric nature (perhaps most memorably expressed in his unaffected penchant for receiving visitors in the nude). Together with an acute intelligence and great breadth of learning, Wingate was a man possessed of awe-inspiring will and single-minded application, and he was often seen flying into a rage when things were not done as he thought they should be. Many, regardless of rank, felt the lash of his tongue. His almost fanatical commitment to the cause of Zionism, a highly sensitive and ambivalent political hot potato for the British at the time, seems also to have rankled many who simply could not understand a man so unlike the typical public-school-educated officer. Although not Jewish himself, to this day he is widely honored in Israel. Zvi Brenner, his Jewish bodyguard in Palestine before the war when he was commanding the Special Night Squads, elegantly encapsulated the man when, in describing Wingate's uncanny ability to negotiate all terrain in darkness, he said, "Wingate didn't follow any paths but walked in straight lines." A truly exceptional man; there is, unfortunately, little chance of the British Army's having any more Wingates. --Alisdair Bowles, Amazon.co.uk

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The English General Orde Wingate is the only foreign officer to be buried in Arlington National Cemetery. He is revered in Israel. In his native U.K., there are still those who resent him. Bierman (Righteous Gentile, a biography of Raoul Wallenberg) and Smith (Carlos: Portrait of a Terrorist) sympathetically portray Wingate's eccentric and combative personality and his equally remarkable, although short, career at arms. There is a distinctly Lawrence of Arabia flavor to Wingate's story. He fetches up in impossibly remote corners of the world, rallies a poorly armed but elusive force and attacks the enemy behind their own lines. This pattern was established in the Sudan, recurred in Palestine and Abyssinia and finally in Burma, where Wingate fought the Japanese until his death in a plane crash in March 1943. The Wingate summoned up in this book was hard on his men, harder on himself and hardest of all on his superiors. He emerges as arrogant, bitterly resentful of anyone who dared advance contrary ideas or question his monopolizing of scarce resources. Wingate's detractors are given their say, as are those who revered him, including Chaim Weizmann and Winston Churchill, whose patronage made Wingate's career possible. The authors obviously admire Wingate's accomplishments, especially his role in prewar Palestine, where, as an ardent Zionist, he instilled professionalism in what would become the Israeli army. With balanced judgment and a sharp eye for revealing details, Bierman and Smith bring a neglected warrior back to life. (Jan.)
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Orde Wingate was one of Britain's greatest generals, according to Bierman and Smith, whose well-researched and quite readable biography covers Wingate's campaigns against the Japanese in Burma in World War II, battle against the Italians in Ethiopia, and role in developing a Zionist army in Palestine. In both his personal and military life, Wingate often employed unconventional tactics, for which he was both despised and praised. Bierman (Napoleon III and His Carnival Empire; Righteous Gentile) and Smith (Carlos: Portrait of a Terrorist) employ numerous sources and documents to analyze Wingate's life, producing a study that is more concise and manageable than Christopher Sykes's lengthy Orde Wingate: A Biography (1959). The extensive use of primary material enhances the portrait, making it an interesting and worthwhile choice for all readers; recommended for public, academic, and special libraries.ADavid M. Alperstein, Queens Borough P.L., Jamaica, NY
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"ORDE WINGATE: IRREGULAR SOLDIER"-book by Trevor Royle
My mother thought Orde reminded her of Stonewall Jackson of American Civil war fame. There are many similarities between the two, but I think Trevor Royle's book title nails his character right on the head. Both Jackson and Wingate were average military scholars, but brilliant field commanders. They had no equal on the field in terms of battle tactics. Both were deeply religious, both eccentric, though in very different ways. Both were Gideons of the supreme, heavenly order. I am convinced if Stonewall were alive today, he would be an ardent zionist as Orde became when his command led him to palestine in pre-WWII years. Orde's first assignment was in the Sudan where he became fluent in Arabic. His Hebrew which he tried to learn was terrible according to Moshe Dayan. His few days in palestine, however, bore much fruit in that he taught the jews of palestine tactics which would help transform the IDF into the amazing fighting force today and which served them extremely well in the immediate days and years following.

Orde's success in restoring the Ethiopian empire to Haile Selassie was definitely Stonewallian. How he routed the entire Italian fascist force residing in Ethiopia with a small force was little short of miraculous.

I don't think Stonewall was as outspoken as Orde and was a bit surprised at how Orde got by with some of his very strong opinions which he was not afraid to voice. That for me was the biggest contrast between the two.

Most important, I think, about Wingate was what he had accomplished in the jungles of the far east where he died in a tragic aviation accident during WWII.

This book was thoroughly enjoyable, is well written, but I defer to the better judgement of one of my favorite Amazon friends and recommend Royle's book as being most accurate as to Orde's views of the jews and palestine. This book was a good prelude to me, a good introduction into the life and character of this most remarkable of British soldiers, Orde Wingate.

Gifted, Offbeat But Marginal Hero
Like Lawrence of Arabia, Orde Wingate is a perennially fascinating figure of the later British Empire and era of World Wars I and II. Unlike Lawrence, Wingate was not a literary artist who immortalized his own career, so we rely on biographies to understand him. This work is thorough if not definitive, using a wide array of sources to describe his military/political adventures in Palestine, Ethiopia, and finally Burma where his long-range penetration strategy was most publicized and most problematic. Such a brilliant, idiosyncratic, forceful figure will always stimulate controversy, and the authors explore the disagreements well enough, though they cannot satisfy all readers. Why marginal? Wingate's and Lawrence's successes---and failures---occurred in peripheral theaters of both World Wars. Scholars debate whether such special operations significantly influenced the outcome of campaigns in Africa, Southwest and Southeast Asia, or primarily served to expand or protect Britain's empire. But major (and costly) sea, air and especially land campaigns were essential to winning world wars; the character of total war in the 20th century effectively marginalized the efforts and the theaters where romantic individualists fought, though they remain dashing, compelling figures. "Fire in the Night" is exciting and deserves 4-5 stars taken on its own terms, but too much attention to special ops ultimately obscures the nature of Allied triumphs. A. Mockler, "Haile Selassie's War" narrates the whole 1935-41 Ethiopian conflict. In "Defeat Into Victory" William Slim recounts his inspiring reconquest of Burma, with specific criticisms but general praise for his difficult subordinate. (Bierman and Smith seem overly hard on Slim in this respect.) J. Nunneley, "Tales from the King's African Rifles" captures well the brutal, unglamorous experience of most Burma veterans.

incomplete portrait of a complex figure
Like many sources, this book praises wingate without enough
careful examination of his flaws. The book focuses mostly
on three chapters in Wingate's life. It starts with his
service in palestine in 1936.

Driven by religious fanaticism and his contempt for what
he saw as uncivilized peoples (arabs or any non-europeans
really), he attached himself to Zionism and zionist politicians.
In the process he exceeded or ignored his orders, then after
politically compromised himself in open alliance with zionist
groups to a point where he could not possibly serve there.
His great "vision" for the region was for a "sub-empire"
with Zionists serving as a sort of spartan military elite
to subdue and westernize those considered lesser humans. All
as part of some sort of twisted fanatical vision of christianity.

After having been booted out of Palestine, he eventually ended
up in Ethiopia where he again ignored his orders. His goal
this time was to force a royal government on Ethiopia regardless
of what anyone else thought and in spite of serious reservations
on the part of politicians and his superiors. His campaign
was a wonderful "boys adventure" sort of a affair, but in the
end it was army won the campaign. Wingate's great accomplishment
was saddling Ethiopia with an unstable and territorially
aggressive monarchy that eventually collapsed in a bloodbath
in the 1970s.

After, he went into open revolt against the entire leadership
of the army in the area. He openly insulted them and held them
in utter contempt. In his mind, though he had never held
a position of high responsiblity in the army, he saw himself
as being some sort of grand illustrious figure. And when
his campaign of alination, insults and personal attacks failed
to get him recognition, he attempted suicide. Contrary to the
book, his megolmania and self-destructive behavior would indicate
someone with serious problems rather than a great leader.

He was rescued from career oblivion by a friend in India. He
was sent into Burma in 1942 to see what could be done in the
way of irregular warfare. For all his bluster, he did nothing.
And beyond that, while other men were suffering and dying
on the march back to India, Wingate arranged to be flown out.

Back in India, he was given a brigade to test out his theories
with. He whined about what he was given in terms of men. He
only wanted british soldiers. He threw the men into jungle
camps during the monsoon with the idea that by inflicting the
maximum amount of suffering and disease, that british men
who had his opinion been weakened by access to health care
and doctors in britain would be made strong again. When the
casualty rate reached over 50%, he moved the men into regular
housing and they recovered. The book presents the self-serving
fiction that the casulaty rate declined due to weeding out
"bad men" when in reality it only improved because the monsoon
ended and the worst of the camps was abandoned.

Wingate's first mission into Burma served no real purpose. It
was originally to be part of a broader plan, but when the
broader plan was cancelled, wingate demanded that the operation
go ahead anyway as a training exercise. He led the men into
Burma, put a railway out of operation for a few weeks and
then led his men deep into Burma where they accomplished nothing.
Eventually, Wingate executed one of his brilliant strategies
to solve the situation. He broke up his command and effectively
gave the order every man for himself. The force or more
properly what survived of the force returned in small parties
to India.

Once back, Wingate ignored his men in favor of launching a
press and publicity campaign on his achivements. He wrote
a self-serving account of operations and when his commanders
raised objects to it, he arranged for a copy to be given
directly to Churchill and the cabinet. Wingate decided to
bypass the entire army and come under the patronage of
politicians. The politicans heard about the brilliant victory,
but they did not hear about the officer running naked in the
jungle or of the man who believed bringing back flogging was
necessary for real dicipline.

When he returned to India in the fall of 1943, he fell ill
because he had recklessly drank contaminated water in north
africa on the way back. He had been given a blank cheque
for any resources he wanted for operations in Burma.

However, due to a combination of him being out of the country
and ill, his operational role in developing the second chindit
force wasn't very large. Eventually, an plan was thrown
together for operations in 1944. Rather than being an evolution
of his supposed theories, it mostly involved a new idea of
fighting a special operations war with a division-sized formation
operating from large bases in enemy controlled territory.

Wingate died early on during the operation so its impossible to
know what would have been the result if he had lived. However,
the only other time his 1944 strategy was used was by the
French in Vietnam where it led to total disaster.

Wingate has a number of followers. Obviously, Israelis are
greatful for the help he provided in forming what eventually
became their army. There are also those who, like wingate,
who see the british army as a failed institution and somehow
see innovation in the form of a man who cut his own throat,
ran around naked in camp, wanted to bring back flogging and
credited broader access to good health care in civilian life
as being responsible for weakening the british soldier.

A good work on Wingate has to deal with the positive aspects
and the negative ones. Too many draw a one-sided portrait
(including this one) while sweeping the not so nice parts of
the story under the rug.

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Re: Richous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2007, 11:49:48 AM »
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The Moors were not Negros they were mixture of Arabs-Berbers. You only fueling Afrocentric crap, and btw the Moors have occupied Malta, Corsica,Sicily,Sardina, Southern Italian mainland, Spain,Portugal, and Crete, all most all of Southern Europe were at their hands. If they were Negros they would not concur anything. I hate to admit but the Arabs did infact influnece humanity for the better during those ages, the Arab civilization cannot be downplayed. The Moors have also left their gentic and cultural markers on Southern Europeans such as their darker skin, and short height. Sicilian contians few Arabic words, and Spanish has alot of Arabic words throwin. The Maltese were almost Arabized!

Besides the islamic pigs raping the women and leaving their genetic and cultural markers on Southern Europeans, how exactly did they influence humanity? Remember these are muslims we are talking about. They do not create or produce anything, they only know how to destroy. I know that muslims have also claimed the achievements of the civilisations they conquered for their own.
The satanic barbaric deathcult of islam spread like a cancer throughout the world, killing and destroying everything it touches. muslims are like the hiv/aids virus, subverting the societies of non muslim lands only to allow the cancer of islam to consume and destroy. muslim, I curse and hate you, your 'prophet', 'g o d' and deathcult.   
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Re: Richous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2007, 12:10:14 PM »
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The Moors were not Negros they were mixture of Arabs-Berbers. You only fueling Afrocentric crap, and btw the Moors have occupied Malta, Corsica,Sicily,Sardina, Southern Italian mainland, Spain,Portugal, and Crete, all most all of Southern Europe were at their hands. If they were Negros they would not concur anything. I hate to admit but the Arabs did infact influnece humanity for the better during those ages, the Arab civilization cannot be downplayed. The Moors have also left their gentic and cultural markers on Southern Europeans such as their darker skin, and short height. Sicilian contians few Arabic words, and Spanish has alot of Arabic words throwin. The Maltese were almost Arabized!

Besides the islamic pigs raping the women and leaving their genetic and cultural markers on Southern Europeans, how exactly did they influence humanity? Remember these are muslims we are talking about. They do not create or produce anything, they only know how to destroy. I know that muslims have also claimed the achievements of the civilisations they conquered for their own.
Moslems accomplish something :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: Righteous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2007, 12:39:30 PM »
I can think of one for sure.

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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2007, 01:35:55 PM »
I nominate Ludwig van Beethoven.

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Re: Righteous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2007, 02:59:17 PM »
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The Light Horsemen charged magnificently across the dusty plains, so fast that the Turkish artillery could not keep pace with them and the "mad" horsemen were able to slip under their guns.

The Russian field marshal Alexander Suvorov wrote that artillerymen often could not depress their guns rapidly enough, or accurately enough, to stop a charge. The Aussies are lucky, though, that the Turks couldn't load with canister for the last few hundred meters. It's possible that the breechloading guns of the First World War didn't use actual canister, as was commonly used by muzzleloaders.


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Re: Righteous Gentile hero thread
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2007, 04:15:06 PM »
I nominate Newman!  The fastest and most sleep-deprived poster in the history of the forum!

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