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Why Jews Should Leave New York City
Ultra Requete:
Not to mention that NYC is primary targer for muzie terrorists, who're on the werge of obtaining Nuclear weapons via Iran thanks to UNs inaction. Unlike Israel New York has no divine protection and tempting two milion Jewish diaspora. Jews who're aften blind and deaf to reality unlike Israelis.
MountainMan:
--- Quote from: msd on May 28, 2009, 10:33:05 AM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on May 21, 2009, 06:31:26 PM ---I am a Jew who questions the reason non-Jews take interest in Jewish concerns because they may have alterior motives, like the Catholic church, etc. Of course we welcome any person who wants Jews to reside in Israel as Hashem has willed it to be. But sometimes non-Jews don't understand why we are the way we are.
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I think for me, as a gentile, that I've been sometimes drawn to Jews and Jewish things out of anti-semitism, usually an anti-semitism based in fear, envy and jealousy. (Is there a difference between jealousy and envy?) I think it's an inferiority complex as well. I just wanted to lay that out here, a bit of honesty. Strangely though it's not the religious Jews, for me, that I've been in awe of, but the brilliant secular ones, like artists and scientists. This has made me think that if more Jews were religious, there would be less anti-semitism. But then why is it my concern?
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Pardon me for make this comment, but I do think you should review Jewish history a bit my friend. Religious Jews have been oppressed across the globe long before there was such as thing as a "secular Jew". I don't know if you have done any research about the lives of religious Jews in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Turkey and various countries around the middle east. Study about pogroms, witch hunts, blood libels, and genocides. Many Jews were murdered simply because they choose to stay Jewish and not convert to Christianity, Islam or any other religion being enforced in the nations they resided at the time. If you read the bible and do some historical research you will see Jews had their temple destroyed in Jerusalem by the Romans and were made to flee their land into diaspora. Of course, the success, intelligence and diligence of JEws has made them despised. But the main reason Jews are hated is that the bible says they are CHOSEN and that the other nations will sooner or later have to submit to the authority of Israel. The reason why secular Jews may be despised, is even whether or not they separate from Israel, their noble works are seen as proving the very theory of new everlasting kingdom of ZIon that will be supreme on the earth.
msd:
--- Quote from: MountainMan on June 01, 2009, 02:45:28 AM ---
--- Quote from: msd on May 28, 2009, 10:33:05 AM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on May 21, 2009, 06:31:26 PM ---I am a Jew who questions the reason non-Jews take interest in Jewish concerns because they may have alterior motives, like the Catholic church, etc. Of course we welcome any person who wants Jews to reside in Israel as Hashem has willed it to be. But sometimes non-Jews don't understand why we are the way we are.
--- End quote ---
I think for me, as a gentile, that I've been sometimes drawn to Jews and Jewish things out of anti-semitism, usually an anti-semitism based in fear, envy and jealousy. (Is there a difference between jealousy and envy?) I think it's an inferiority complex as well. I just wanted to lay that out here, a bit of honesty. Strangely though it's not the religious Jews, for me, that I've been in awe of, but the brilliant secular ones, like artists and scientists. This has made me think that if more Jews were religious, there would be less anti-semitism. But then why is it my concern?
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Pardon me for make this comment, but I do think you should review Jewish history a bit my friend. Religious Jews have been oppressed across the globe long before there was such as thing as a "secular Jew". I don't know if you have done any research about the lives of religious Jews in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Turkey and various countries around the middle east. Study about pogroms, witch hunts, blood libels, and genocides. Many Jews were murdered simply because they choose to stay Jewish and not convert to Christianity, Islam or any other religion being enforced in the nations they resided at the time. If you read the bible and do some historical research you will see Jews had their temple destroyed in Jerusalem by the Romans and were made to flee their land into diaspora. Of course, the success, intelligence and diligence of JEws has made them despised. But the main reason Jews are hated is that the bible says they are CHOSEN and that the other nations will sooner or later have to submit to the authority of Israel. The reason why secular Jews may be despised, is even whether or not they separate from Israel, their noble works are seen as proving the very theory of new everlasting kingdom of ZIon that will be supreme on the earth.
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Yes. I know all of that. I think, for me, "the other nations will sooner or later have to submit to the authority of Israel. " is the scariest aspect. But I don't mean that in an antisemitic way. More from guilt-feelings of wrongdoings in the past, and wondering how many people will be put to the sword.
I certainly haven't despised secular Jews -- it's the opposite.
--- Quote from: AsheDina --- Its the 'chosen' thing that gets to you.
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I don't know. That's not how I approached it years ago. I was just dazzled by certain artists, creative people and noticed several of them were Jewish.
I think my trouble has actually been more that I've idolized certain Jews. That's what I meant about religious Jews -- I haven't idolized those.
msd:
--- Quote from: MountainMan on June 01, 2009, 02:45:28 AM ---Pardon me for make this comment, but I do think you should review Jewish history a bit my friend. Religious Jews have been oppressed across the globe long before there was such as thing as a "secular Jew".
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Sorry, you're right. I forgot about that.
Vlad Tepes:
We should build communities in rural America. Freedom to own guns and plenty of inexpensive land. It's only a matter of time before our people are attacked again. Next time we will be ready. Teach your children safe weapon handling from an early age. Train your body as hard as you do your mind.
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