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Why Jews Should Leave New York City
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--- Quote from: Hyades on May 18, 2009, 05:31:30 AM ---Well, something that really scares me a bit is that this an often heard comment of Nazis saying "The Jews have their own land in Israel, so why don't they get out of here and move to Israel?"
I think it is an individual feeling. I feel very close-tied to Israel. But nevertheless, I feel at home where I was born and where I grew up. My family, friends, job etc. are here in Germany. In a case of new persecution I wouldn't hesitate a second to leave to Israel. But I think a place for Jews is everywhere. G*d gave the Jews the World, so they should also be able to settle throughout the world and not limit to Israel. :)
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You are wrong about this. God gave the Land of Israel to Am Yisrael. The Jewish Nation. He gave the rest of the world to the Noah ides.
MountainMan:
--- Quote from: muman613 on May 21, 2009, 12:36:17 AM ---MountainMan,
I have one question for you... Are you Jewish? If so then very good, but if not, please explain why you are so concerned about this subject. I am interested in your reply.
Thank you,
PS: I don't think synagogues should be fortified. Unless there is a treat against it I don't think these measures are wise.
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I am a supporter of Israel and the JEwish people. Is it wrong to be concerned about G-d's Chosen People? Why should I not be concerned. I don't even know why you would ask why I am concerned about Jews and Israel. Why do you think I would join a Pro-Zionist website, if I did not care about Jewish people. Yes, I do have Jewish ancestory, as well, but I am not a practicing Jew; however, I am a devoted Zionist.
Can you explain why you think the synagogues should not be fortified? Why is it unwise for Jews to defend themselves? This was the same mentality of Jews in Europe, before they were all shipped off to concentration camps to be exterminated. I think you should reconsider.
muman613:
--- Quote from: MountainMan on May 21, 2009, 05:44:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on May 21, 2009, 12:36:17 AM ---MountainMan,
I have one question for you... Are you Jewish? If so then very good, but if not, please explain why you are so concerned about this subject. I am interested in your reply.
Thank you,
PS: I don't think synagogues should be fortified. Unless there is a treat against it I don't think these measures are wise.
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I am a supporter of Israel and the JEwish people. Is it wrong to be concerned about G-d's Chosen People? Why should I not be concerned. I don't even know why you would ask why I am concerned about Jews and Israel. Why do you think I would join a Pro-Zionist website, if I did not care about Jewish people. Yes, I do have Jewish ancestory, as well, but I am not a practicing Jew; however, I am a devoted Zionist.
Can you explain why you think the synagogues should not be fortified? Why is it unwise for Jews to defend themselves? This was the same mentality of Jews in Europe, before they were all shipped off to concentration camps to be exterminated. I think you should reconsider.
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Only if there is a fear that the Synagogue will be attacked should security be increased. Synagogue is not like a mosque where arms are to be stockpiled. There is also the issue of having guns on Shabbat. I am fully for defending Jews, and in my minyan we have a member who is a SWAT officer who carries his gun. I have been Davening at shul for many years now and have never seen a single incident of antisemitism. I would certainly be disinclined to go to a shul with the measures you mention, having to produce identity papers, etc... Our shul is open to each and every Jew in the community and it would be shaming a Jew to have to question his Jewishness.
The reason I question your motivation is that it seems that many 'other' groups stand to gain by stoking the flames between Jews and Blacks, and Islam. I am a Jew who questions the reason non-Jews take interest in Jewish concerns because they may have alterior motives, like the Catholic church, etc. Of course we welcome any person who wants Jews to reside in Israel as Hashem has willed it to be. But sometimes non-Jews don't understand why we are the way we are.
I have lived in peace and thank Hashem for the continued peace which my congregation and I have had. I see no reason now to change our security procedures. It is up to the synagogue to assess the threat and make appropriate measures to protect the people.
AsheDina:
Thanks for the warning. I have a blog, and not ONE day goes by that I dont have a murderer on my Blog. But the problem is, it is usually a neo-Nazi, white power, KKK, S.F.er, etc.. The thing that is scary to me, is that they have aligned themselves up with Muslims, and seek to kill all Jews, and they are bold about this.
IF they want to hurt ME, my family, friends, etc- they better be prepared to die a horrible death, b/c I wont stop until they are dead, and I will go to jail, and I dont give a damn.
MountainMan:
--- Quote from: muman613 ---Only if there is a fear that the Synagogue will be attacked should security be increased. Synagogue is not like a mosque where arms are to be stockpiled.
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If yesterday's news article doesn't convince you that any and every synaoguge is at risk of attack, I guess nothing will convince you. I suppose with this philosophy you are more or less saying, we better wait until the bombs go off and bodies start flying before we set up out defenses. Do you really think terrorists will announce themselves before they commit their atrocious acts?
--- Quote from: muman613 --- There is also the issue of having guns on Shabbat.
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So, was the Yom Kippur War a mistake? If I am not mistaken, the Jews in Israel also use guns, military equipment , electronics, jets, etc on the shabbat. Should they stop doing all this and lower all their defenses since, for some reason, you think it goes against Shabbat?
--- Quote from: muman613 --- I am fully for defending Jews, and in my minyan we have a member who is a SWAT officer who carries his gun.
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Good for him! Mazel Tov! Now, I hope he can help train and help pick out the proper firearms for the other members of your shul. WHy? Cause one guy with a gun really is a tough battle against a team of well-trained ragheaded or negro terrorists.
--- Quote from: muman613 --- I have been Davening at shul for many years now and have never seen a single incident of antisemitism. I would certainly be disinclined to go to a shul with the measures you mention, having to produce identity papers, etc... Our shul is open to each and every Jew in the community and it would be shaming a Jew to have to question his Jewishness.
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This is not about shaming Jews, this is about protecting Jews. I am sorry you don't like it, but you live in a country that has more muslims than Jews. This country even has a muslim president. You are not in Israel, and even in Israel, a lot of these measures are being taken in many areas, including some places of worship. This is not 500 years ago; you have to understand you are in the 21st century and we are being threatened continually. Yeah, i know its not ideal and its unfortunate, but if the life of your wife and children are on the line, would you not want to take measure to protect them? I wonder what the people at the Riverdale synagogue think about bringing their children to pray now? Perhaps you will wonder if the one middle eastern guy praying next to you is a genuine JEw or perhaps has a bomb under his shirt getting ready for eternity of dirty sex with his virgins. There needs to be something done. In a small little shul you will not have to worry so much about it. But at a large Jewish center, there should be some type of identification system and strangers should not be allowed around the perimeters without some type of escort from members, etc.
I am throwing out ideas, but you can use your imagination.
--- Quote from: muman613 ---The reason I question your motivation is that it seems that many 'other' groups stand to gain by stoking the flames between Jews and Blacks, and Islam. I am a Jew who questions the reason non-Jews take interest in Jewish concerns because they may have alterior motives, like the Catholic church, etc. Of course we welcome any person who wants Jews to reside in Israel as Hashem has willed it to be. But sometimes non-Jews don't understand why we are the way we are.
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Well, as a Jew, I don't blame you for being paranoid or questioning motives. You can be sure mine are 100% genuine and I love Jewish people and Israel. I am not a catholic and don't care for them, nor do I care for any of these bleeding heart liberals who claim to promote coexistance and Jewish rights. I am 100% Zionist and I am willing to fight and die for Jewish people. Why did Schindler in Schindler's List put his life on the line saving Jews? He coudl have lived an easy life. This guy was a german, he had not a drop of Jewish blood, yet risked it all, because he was sick of injustice of his people. I am sick of the injustices against Jewish people and the bullying done by muslims, blacks and even latinos against white and Jewish society. I am tired of it! Thats why I care.. And, I do care very very much! I won't let Jewish blood run down the Hudson, I know it will be time to fight and fight hard, even if Obama and the ragheads put a bullet in my skull.
--- Quote from: muman613 ---I have lived in peace and thank Hashem for the continued peace which my congregation and I have had. I see no reason now to change our security procedures. It is up to the synagogue to assess the threat and make appropriate measures to protect the people.
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I bet you would not be talking like this had the terrorists succeeded in their mission yesterday. You would not be speaking like this. This is the naivete that is plaguing both Jewish and CHristians in USA. We always claim we are safe and we are doing all we can. This home grown terror will grow and grow and will become more virulent. These scumbags have inspired jihadists for generations to come. The arabs in this country hate Jews with a bloody passion and many have no other dream in lif but to crush skull of a Jewish child. I tell you, you better arm up and get ready, because these bastards are comin for you children!! We neeed to be vigiliant and show these raghead pigs we can kick their arsses. We can do it. 5 Armed and trained religious Jews are worth 1000 raghead warriors.
Peace is short-lived in this demonic world run by the most unscrupulous and selfish creatures. These thugs don't care about your babies. DOn't depend on the police, army or anyone else to save you when they start massacring Jews. Yesterday was almost another 9/11, this time a strictly Jewish 9/11.
Think about that!
--- Quote from: AsheDina on May 21, 2009, 09:32:28 PM ---Thanks for the warning. I have a blog, and not ONE day goes by that I dont have a murderer on my Blog. But the problem is, it is usually a neo-Nazi, white power, KKK, S.F.er, etc.. The thing that is scary to me, is that they have aligned themselves up with Muslims, and seek to kill all Jews, and they are bold about this.
IF they want to hurt ME, my family, friends, etc- they better be prepared to die a horrible death, b/c I wont stop until they are dead, and I will go to jail, and I dont give a damn.
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Amen Dina. You got it right there! If every Jew had your attitude, these stone kissing camel brained thugs would have never tried to pull off what they did yesterday. Had Jews had this attitude, the Palestinians and the rest of the arab world would be kissing and licking your feet. These troublemakers only thrive because the rest of the world is too naive, stupid and cowardly to face them. Problem is there is too much self-hatred, politeness and lack of concern, so the arab/muslim menace continues unimpeded.
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