muman years back JTF had local shows here in N.Y.C. that spoke very plainly on race issues. JTF built up quite a following that sustained it for years. I understand what you are saying but the fact of the matter is people like when the cards are laid on the table. That goes for issues here in America and also issues over in Israel. Some time ago we had a thread going called JB's ask the ape. The thread contained some of the most stereotypical racial content but it gained over 20,000 page views during its existence. The thread was pushed on by myself , JB and a few other members it ran about two thousand posts. MY point is that in order to have 20,000 + page views people had to be coming from outside the forum to view the thread. The purpose of the thread was to do just that and get new people into the forum. Tell me what sort of thread we have had lately that has had 20,000 page views?