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muman613:
Science is an invention of mankind and has been shown to be flawed. I am a scientist {a computer scientist} and I live with the belief that nothing can be proven 100% accurately because there is always a quantity of unknown. In my own profession I know that there may be more than one solution for a particular problem and all problems and solutions can co-exist. I believe that the world is 6000 years old but that time has become warped. During the initial creation time was much accelerated and we have no idea because we cannot go back in time to prove anything. Just as a scientist cannot prove to me what is going to happen tomorrow. The only thing a scientist can do is make observations and come to some theories... Many theories have been disproved and many whole sciences have been abandoned. I do not put any trust in Medicine or Science and look at is as just humans trying to understand the infinite creator without even coming close.

Only when mankind accepts the yoke of heaven will all the answers of creation be answered. This is my faith, and my experience, and I will defend my beliefs with my life.

Muck DeFuslims:
You are entitled to your beliefs and I'm really not interested in trying to change them.

However, I do wonder why someone that considers himself a 'scientist' doesn't put any trust in science. I can understand not accepting theories or having alternative views to unanswered questions or problems, but to flat out state that you don't trust science at all, seems odd. Surely, you must believe that there is objective truth and knowledge, and that not all of science is subjective or untrustable. Surely, you can't be serious about not having any trust in medicine. Are you saying you don't visit a doctor when you're ill or take a medicine that can make you better ? If you do, then you must have some level of trust in science and medicine.

Do you have any reason to believe that time has become warped ? Is this just a personal belief ? Or is it supported by Torah or scientific evidence ? Just curious.

muman613:

--- Quote from: Muck DeFuslims on July 23, 2009, 04:34:33 PM ---You are entitled to your beliefs and I'm really not interested in trying to change them.

However, I do wonder why someone that considers himself a 'scientist' doesn't put any trust in science. I can understand not accepting theories or having alternative views to unanswered questions or problems, but to flat out state that you don't trust science at all, seems odd. Surely, you must believe that there is objective truth and knowledge, and that not all of science is subjective or untrustable. Surely, you can't be serious about not having any trust in medicine. Are you saying you don't visit a doctor when you're ill or take a medicine that can make you better ? If you do, then you must have some level of trust in science and medicine.

Do you have any reason to believe that time has become warped ? Is this just a personal belief ? Or is it supported by Torah or scientific evidence ? Just curious.



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I have just lived through a medical nightmare... I was misdiagnosed for over five years, treated with medicines which nearly destroyed my liver functions {taking medicine I did not need to take}, and miraculously I have been cured. I believe it is the hand of Hashem who cured me from this. It was labeled Vasculitis by a biopsy done in 2004 and they treated this with anti-immune system drugs and prednisone which caused me much discomfort. I have no faith that the doctors even did anything except charge my insurance for $100,000s of dollars.

My mother had a similar experience with her doctors who told her there was nothing wrong for many years, only after getting a second or third opinion did they discover that there really was a problem. Now my father and step-dad have cancer and it seems that only because of miracles they are still alive. The chemo my step-dad was on almost killed him, after he stopped taking it he recovered... Now they say his tumors are in remission. This to me is another medical miracle...

I use the scientific method to develop software. But there are times when working on some complex software bugs {i work in some of the most complex software code, digital video and audio encoders and decoders} when it seems that only though insight granted from Hashem do I understand the nature of the bug. Scientific measurements of the bugs help, but the solution is not found through the measurements. Only through the light of intellect can these issues be resolved. I truly live each day thanking Hashem for providing the solutions to all my software problems.

I have been gainfully employed as a software engineer for over 20 years. My expertice is still in high demand and I make a 6-figure salary as a Senior Engineer. My religious beliefs do not interfere with my ability to produce advanced code. In a sense I view my job as a way to emulate my creator.

galileerat:
And what exactly are the proofs for heliocentrism?

Mach's Principle and Einstein's Relativity state that there can be none: all the phenomena produced by an Earth rotating on its axis are equally well explained by a universe going round the Earth every 24 hours. So how can you distinguish one from the other?


The only way you can tell what is the true state of affairs is to go outside of the universe and report back. This we cannot do in this lifetime.

But we believe we have already had such a report: Hashem's Word is that the Earth is stationary.

Note that weather forecasting, practical astronomy, space shots, satellite launches, artillery, navigation, rocketry, oceanography, calendars, astrology, and gyroscopy, are all based on the stationary Earth model!

"We cannot feel our motion through space. Nor has any experiment ever proven that the Earth actually is in motion" (Einstein's leading disciple Professor Lincoln Barnett).



--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 23, 2009, 02:01:29 PM ---On the other hand, a heliocentric universe has been proven by demonstration and observation of physical reality. 
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Muck DeFuslims:
I'm glad you are cured and your father is recovering. I too, have had some terrible experieces with doctors. In fact, you can't drag me to see a doctor unless I have a life threatening illness. The next doctor that sees me will probably be doing my autopsy. But that doesn't mean I don't trust science or medicine at all.

I'm glad you apply scientific method to developing software and problem resolution. I agree that intellect and insight is a blessing you have been bestowed with by Hashem and through the study of Torah.

But in all honesty, I still can't fathom why you dont have any trust in science at all. That makes no sense to me.

Also, I'm still curious about your belief that time has become warped and what (if any) basis you have for this belief.

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