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muman613:
TorahAnyTime.com has been running a series of Shiurs called "Scientism vs Judaism"... I have not yet listened to this shiur but would be interested to learn... I will be listening to it this evening...

galileerat:
There are quite a few sites giving the scientific case for geocentrism e.g.
www.geocentrism.com
www.geocentricity.com

Kahane-Was-Right BT:

--- Quote from: galileerat on July 21, 2009, 04:43:14 PM ---
Einstein himself stated that according to Relativity geocentrism is by definition an scientifically equally valid way of looking at the universe:

"The struggle, so violent in the early days of science, between the views of Ptolemy and Copernicus would then be quite meaningless. Either coordinate system could be used with equal justification. The two sentences, 'the sun is at rest and the Earth moves,' or 'the sun moves and the Earth is at rest,' would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different coordinate systems" (Albert Einstein).


--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 21, 2009, 02:47:40 PM ---
Scientific case for geocentrism?  Haven't seen that anywhere. 
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That is speaking in terms of measurement in which, relatively speaking it makes no difference either way.   But that doesn't mean that in reality the earth is actually stationary with the sun moving around it.   He is speaking in terms of convention in measurement.   Are you honestly suggesting the Einstein believed it's possible the sun revolves around the earth?   This is a complete distortion.   INSANITY!

Moshe92:

--- Quote from: galileerat on July 21, 2009, 04:43:14 PM ---There are quite a few sites giving the scientific case for geocentrism e.g.
www.geocentrism.com
www.geocentricity.com

galileerat:
I know that you would not accuse the Lubavitcher Rebbe and all the others of Chazal who held by geocentrism of "insanity"!

The expert on the subject, Sir Fred Hoyle stated:
"The difference between a heliocentric theory and a geocentric theory is one of relative motion only, and that such a difference has no physical significance. If the Galileo Affair had taken place after Einstein had framed his General Theory, it would have resulted in an even draw out of physical and mathematical necessity”.

There is no scientific objection to a massive object, even the whole universe, revolving daily around a tiny motionless Earth. This is discussed by Hoyle in his book "Nicolaus Copernicus".

Hoyle points out that the Earth does not, technically, revolve around the Sun, but rather, the Earth and Sun both revolve around the center of mass of the Earth-Sun system, which is quite a few miles from the Sun's central axis (though still well inside the Sun). Hoyle points out that one must factor in all objects, starting with the nearest stars, to recalculate the true center-of-mass of the earth-sun-universe. Hoyle speculates that once one has properly applied the barycentric argument to all other entities in the universe (known as "widening the view angle of one's telescope to avoid self- serving tunnel vision"), the center-of-mass may easily be at the Earth's location, making it impossible to disprove the geocentric hypothesis.

Hoyle says the barycentric argument is only properly applied when every object in the universe has been factored into the center-of-mass calculation, a calculation that has never been done. He believes that consistent application of the barycentric argument, layer by layer, places the center- of-mass farther away from the Sun and closer to the Earth and concludes that the barycentric argument can easily and fully support pure geocentricity: "The Earth is suspended at the center of the universe" (Rambam, Hilchos Yesodei HaTorah 3)

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