Guns and Self-Defense > Guns/Firearms
Your Handgun of Choice for Different Situations
ProudAndZionist:
--- Quote from: Chaim Ben Pesach the hero on June 17, 2009, 07:25:49 AM ---If the stupid law in Germany would allow weapons I would wear a Browning SFS or Walther P99
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I have Walther P99, but air pistol. (not airsoft!!!)
ProudAndZionist:
Heckler & Koch are world-famous. If I were you, I would buy that. ;)
MountainMan:
--- Quote from: Sanguis on June 21, 2009, 02:13:18 PM ---Now that I found out about the gun laws in The Netherlands (see topic: bought an ak47), I can post here:
what is the best pistol/revolver for close quarters, rapid fire with the most power and deadly, but no so deadly you kill someone by shooting in his leg(read: you blow his leg off) I don't want something too powerfull. I was thinking about something like this:
http://www.arcned.nl/FFcms/klanten/hvdp/showroom_detail.php?id=1365&rub=wapens&srub=pistolen
or
http://www.arcned.nl/FFcms/klanten/hvdp/showroom_detail.php?id=1391&rub=wapens&srub=revolvers
or maybe even this
http://www.arcned.nl/FFcms/klanten/hvdp/showroom_detail.php?id=1346&rub=wapens&srub=kogelgeweren
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Sanguis, the H&K (Heckler & Koch) pistol you have displayed is an older model. If I were you I would consider purchasing their newer model the HK45 or if you must have a 9mm , you can go with the H&K P30 pistol. These guns really are very pretty to look at and have adjustable front, rear and side grips. These are, perhaps, the most ergonomic handgun on the market today. I do have to warn you though that many have said that H&K's have real crappy triggers and many do claim that their accuracy and construction doesn't match the high price tag. With H&K's you really are paying a lot for the name. I have spoken with some police gun specialists and they say from their testings that the H&K does not hold up as well as it use to; the quality has decreased over the years. This information, Take it or leave it. I still would choose an aluminum frame Sig 220 or Sig 229 over the H&K or even better, if you can get it, save yourself $300 and buy a Smith & Wesson M&P 45 or 9mm. Many have claimed the S&W M&P has better construction and the accuracy is same or better than the H&K for less price. Maybe in Europe, where you live, H&K's are a bit cheaper, I still think CZ is a superior brand pistol to h&K.
If you are seriously considering the revolver listed for self defense, then I would like you to reconsdier getting a 22LR revolver. You say you don't want something too powerful? Do you realize if you are in an armed confrontation your goal will be to disable your attacker before he can hurt you. If you use a 22LR, it is likely you will shoot him and he will be able to shoot you and he may be dead 3 hours later, after your dead. 22LR's are great for target practice and plinking, but are not good as self-defense firearms. Seriously, if you cannot handle the recoil of a 44 magnum revolver, there are many, many options available. Smith and WEsson makes an 8 round .357 revolver which would be ideal for both urban and rural defense. A .357 revolver has light recoil in a steel framed revolver and will be more powerful than any semi auto pistol round. THey also make revolvers in 38,45LC, 10mm and other calibers that should still have managable recoil but will penetrate plenty. You want to knock ur enemy down as fast as possible, not piss him off.
As far as the AK, I would advise looking into Saigas and having a conversion performed. I am not an expert by any means on rifles, especially not AKs, but I know a lot of AKs you get in USA are constructed from inferior parts in junkyard factories. I think with an AK you cannot go wrong with a Russian Saiga, Bulgarian Arsenal SLR series with milled receiver, or Yugo. If you can find any of these they are good. I will say Sig Sauer and H&K make some dang good semi auto rifles and you may want to check out the Sig 5.56 or if you are lucky find a H&K 308. H&K 308 rifles were banned in USA and to purchase one in uSA now you must pay around $4000 (rough guess). However, I am not sure if you can still purchase these types of guns, but I know in Switzerland they are very affordable.
Yonah:
--- Quote from: Sanguis on June 21, 2009, 02:13:18 PM ---Now that I found out about the gun laws in The Netherlands (see topic: bought an ak47), I can post here:
what is the best pistol/revolver for close quarters, rapid fire with the most power and deadly, but no so deadly you kill someone by shooting in his leg(read: you blow his leg off) I don't want something too powerfull. I was thinking about something like this:
http://www.arcned.nl/FFcms/klanten/hvdp/showroom_detail.php?id=1365&rub=wapens&srub=pistolen
or
http://www.arcned.nl/FFcms/klanten/hvdp/showroom_detail.php?id=1391&rub=wapens&srub=revolvers
or maybe even this
http://www.arcned.nl/FFcms/klanten/hvdp/showroom_detail.php?id=1346&rub=wapens&srub=kogelgeweren
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No handgun is "too powerful", but even a .22 shot to the leg could easily prove fatal.
You should probably learn a lot more about guns and how to use them before you consider buying one.
ProudAndZionist:
--- Quote from: Yonah on June 21, 2009, 07:18:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sanguis on June 21, 2009, 02:13:18 PM ---Now that I found out about the gun laws in The Netherlands (see topic: bought an ak47), I can post here:
what is the best pistol/revolver for close quarters, rapid fire with the most power and deadly, but no so deadly you kill someone by shooting in his leg(read: you blow his leg off) I don't want something too powerfull. I was thinking about something like this:
http://www.arcned.nl/FFcms/klanten/hvdp/showroom_detail.php?id=1365&rub=wapens&srub=pistolen
or
http://www.arcned.nl/FFcms/klanten/hvdp/showroom_detail.php?id=1391&rub=wapens&srub=revolvers
or maybe even this
http://www.arcned.nl/FFcms/klanten/hvdp/showroom_detail.php?id=1346&rub=wapens&srub=kogelgeweren
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No handgun is "too powerful", but even a .22 shot to the leg could easily prove fatal.
You should probably learn a lot more about guns and how to use them before you consider buying one.
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My father is gun expert and engineer, if you want I will ask him about these guns, ok dude?
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