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Nervous China may attack India by 2012: Defence Expert
« on: July 12, 2009, 10:41:31 AM »
A leading defence expert has projected that China will attack India by 2012 to divert the attention of its own people from "unprecedented"
internal dissent, growing unemployment and financial problems that are threatening the hold of Communists in that country.

"China will launch an attack on India before 2012. There are multiple reasons for a desperate Beijing to teach India the final lesson, thereby ensuring Chinese supremacy in Asia in this century," Bharat Verma, Editor of the Indian Defence Review, has said.

Verma said the recession has "shut the Chinese exports shop", creating an "unprecedented internal social unrest" which in turn, was severely threatening the grip of the Communists over the society.

Among other reasons for this assessment were rising unemployment, flight of capital worth billions of dollars, depletion of its foreign exchange reserves and growing internal dissent, Verma said in an editorial in the forthcoming issue of the premier defence journal. In addition to this, "The growing irrelevance of Pakistan, their right hand that operates against India on their behest, is increasing the Chinese nervousness," he said, adding that US President Barak Obama's Af-Pak policy was primarily Pak-Af policy that has "intelligently set the thief to catch the thief".

Verma said Beijing was "already rattled, with its proxy Pakistan now literally embroiled in a civil war, losing its sheen against India." "Above all, it is worried over the growing alliance of India with the US and the West, because the alliance has the potential to create a technologically superior counterpoise.

"All these three concerns of Chinese Communists are best addressed by waging a war against pacifist India to achieve multiple strategic objectives," he said.

While China "covertly allowed" North Korea to test underground nuclear explosion and carry out missile trials, it was also "increasing its naval presence in South China Sea to coerce into submission those opposing its claim on the Sprately Islands," the defence expert said. He said it would be "unwise" at this point of time for a recession-hit China to move against the Western interests, including Japan.

"Therefore, the most attractive option is to attack a soft target like India and forcibly occupy its territory in the Northeast," Verma said. But India is "least prepared" on ground to face the Chinese threat, he says and asks a series of questions on how will India respond to repulse the Chinese game plan or whether Indian leadership would be able to "take the heat of war".

"Is Indian military equipped to face the two-front wars by Beijing and Islamabad? Is the Indian civil administration geared to meet the internal security challenges that the external actors will sponsor simultaneously through their doctrine of unrestricted warfare? "The answers are an unequivocal 'no'. Pacifist India is not ready by a long shot either on the internal or the external front," the defence journal editor says. In view of the "imminent threat" posed by China, "the quickest way to swing out of pacifism to a state of assertion is by injecting military thinking in the civil administration to build the sinews. That will enormously increase the deliverables on ground – from Lalgarh to Tawang," he says.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS-India-Nervous-China-may-attack-India-by-2012-Expert/articleshow/4769593.cms

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Re: Nervous China may attack India by 2012: Defence Expert
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2009, 10:58:30 AM »
This type of attack would surprise me based on the "evidence" indicated on the article.  On the contrary I know that many travellers to China have described the country to becoming a capitalist nation, oddly enough.  Now that China has invested itself everywhere especially in the US, there stands a great chance the employment in their nation is going to rise and rise.  China once it becomes a caplitalist nation will thrive and become possibly the most powerful nation in the world (especially with Obama the orangatun in office).  But just as every capitalist nation has its crash, China will also have its crash, but not in 2012.  However, the Chinese will see the advantages of capitalism for their nation over communism and may become a capital dictatorship like Russia today.

in the meanwhile, where did all the US's money go?  To Saudi Arabia and Oil companies and contractors for the Iraq war.  The US needs more infrastructure for new jobs to develop alternative sources of fuel and new inventions.
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Re: Nervous China may attack India by 2012: Defence Expert
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2009, 11:16:07 AM »
I don't think so.

India and China can't risk a direct war since they are capable of destroying each other.

If anything the Indians have a claim on borderlands from China. I can think of only on possible reason of a military clash between China and India- If India dealt a crushing blow to Pakistan, then China might try to rescue Pakistan, and even then it would not be an invasion into India proper.


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Re: Nervous China may attack India by 2012: Defence Expert
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2009, 12:36:51 PM »
I'm really afraid of China. Just examine their economy. Higher, higher in every year. And they are communist too...
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Re: Nervous China may attack India by 2012: Defence Expert
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2009, 01:47:41 PM »
this article is created by Indian defence strategists for international media. the motive is to justify why its buying too many war technology from Israel and Russia since last 2 yrs. Because this issue of buying supposedly will come at forthcoming international summits. Already 2 days back Obama admin forced Israel to backtrack from a multimillion dollar military deal with India, citing fears of american techonogy falling into the hands of India from Israel.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/US-armtwists-Israeli-firm-on-IAF-deal/articleshow/4741294.cms

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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2009, 04:11:12 PM »
Theoretically nothing about the behavior of the Red Dragon China may be predictable today.

This especially so because presently China is living under the most hybrid system in the world. It has a class rule of de-facto proletariat dictatorship at the top led by a dictatorial politburo headed by the strong headed General Secretary who is most likely to be another epic entity.

However on the ground level China is running fastest in the world far behind but next only to the USA on the track of capitalist competition. China is in greatest hurry to catch up with USA and then leave it behind, failing which the fair competition is going to eat China itself on some plea or the other.

So in nut shell China is the fastest running capitalist country in the world.

Now it creates a paradox, a nation with hardliner socialist dictatorial rules, ambitions and powers, running on the fastest capitalist grounds. Only two earlier and worst examples can be cited:

1. Mussolini leading a socialist revolution ran on capitalist path, which turned out to be a Fascist doctrine and methods.

2. Hister leading a national socialist workers party revolution ran on capitalist path, which turned out to be a Natsi Fascist doctrine and methods.

So China is on the tracks of being a hybrid Fascist society, whatever it means.

In technical terms it can be understood that China is like an old Russian military truck retrofitted with the engine of an F-15 Eagle. Everybody should run away before that engine starts. Actually that engine has already started.

However in the matters of strongly dealing with present day Uighur Muslamic terrorists, China is correct.     
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2009, 04:22:49 PM »
this article is created by Indian defence strategists for international media. the motive is to justify why its buying too many war technology from Israel and Russia since last 2 yrs. Because this issue of buying supposedly will come at forthcoming international summits. Already 2 days back Obama admin forced Israel to backtrack from a multimillion dollar military deal with India, citing fears of american techonogy falling into the hands of India from Israel.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/US-armtwists-Israeli-firm-on-IAF-deal/articleshow/4741294.cms

Regarding any friendship and proactive cooperation between Israel and India, the Red Dragon, The Beast, the Muslamic False Prophet and Papistan666 are supposed to utterly dislike it, Otherwise the future may turn upside down.

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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2009, 04:26:52 PM »
Ridiculous article, you guys are taking this seriously?

I'm really afraid of China. Just examine their economy. Higher, higher in every year. And they are communist too...
You know nothing of China. That's where real capitalism is taking place. You'd be amazed at the ease of starting a new business in China. They are no longer communist, only communist in name.

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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2009, 06:27:10 PM »
Ridiculous article, you guys are taking this seriously?

I'm really afraid of China. Just examine their economy. Higher, higher in every year. And they are communist too...
You know nothing of China. That's where real capitalism is taking place. You'd be amazed at the ease of starting a new business in China. They are no longer communist, only communist in name.

I cant beleive I am agreeing with Teutonic Knight.. but yes... its definitely a misnomer to call China communist.  They are a repressive government and the government DOES have stakes in many of their large companies... but they are pragmatic..and understand the importance of mixing in the free-market with their oppressive social agenda.  As it gives a little of the best of both worlds for the leaders.

I would even say (with a heavy heart) that they may be a tempting future model for nations.  China has all the institutions necessary for capitalism...  a working banking and lending system, somewhat efficient and transparent markets, standardized accounting, a fairly independent but state-owned central bank,  etc. but also has repressive social policies and dictatorial control.  Russia is following a similar path as well.

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Re: Nervous China may attack India by 2012: Defence Expert
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2009, 10:56:26 PM »
Ridiculous article, you guys are taking this seriously?

I'm really afraid of China. Just examine their economy. Higher, higher in every year. And they are communist too...
You know nothing of China. That's where real capitalism is taking place. You'd be amazed at the ease of starting a new business in China. They are no longer communist, only communist in name.


I have never had positive experience with Chinese people...
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Re: Nervous China may attack India by 2012: Defence Expert
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2009, 04:47:22 AM »
Ridiculous article, you guys are taking this seriously?

I'm really afraid of China. Just examine their economy. Higher, higher in every year. And they are communist too...
You know nothing of China. That's where real capitalism is taking place. You'd be amazed at the ease of starting a new business in China. They are no longer communist, only communist in name.

Teutonic Knight, you are so naive.  China is completely communist and is using capitalism as a tool to take control of the world's resources.  The idea being they will let us eat all the apples we want just so long as in the end they control the orchard.  Their entire economy is command and control and every business is subject to bribery from corrupt government officials.

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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2009, 05:27:48 AM »
China is [not] a capitalist economy. It is a merchantelist state that allows some competition between its own citizens.

Most of the big industries is controlled by the government or Army. They hold the major share of the corporations  in the Telecom, Finance, defense, utility and so forth. Do you know the gas prices in china are fixed by the government, even though the energy corporations are listed public companies (with controlling share for the government). If the government forces a public company to sell at a loss is that capitalism ? It is like France 28 years ago but 10 time worse.

And the justice system is rigged. In capitalism, I think it is assumed to have a functioning justice system that protects property, trade secrets, patents, and government interference.

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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2009, 07:32:18 AM »
China is not a communist country. For foreigners, it's an almost absolute capitalist state. For the Chinese, it's a fascist state. It is communist neither in practice, nor in ideology, nor has it fit the mold of any declared communist state since the ascendancy of Zhou Enlai.

China's growth is more a product of weakness in the American economy (stupid, overpaid, unionized workers) than it is a testament to the success of the Chinese. Due to the way liberalization has taken place in China, by sector rather than in general, certain parts of China have grown rich while others remain nearly as poor as they were before the Cultural Revolution. And that will be China's main problem. At this point, it's far too poor to concentrate on domestic consumption. It will remain poor for so long as it fixes the yuan to a sinking American dollar, and it cannot float the yuan without destroying the export-based growth which fueled its rise. Were it to float the yuan, Chinese people would find themselves instantly richer, but the poor would lose their jobs to places like India. China will have to figure out how to float the yuan without ruining its competitiveness in manufacturing, which would lead to massive unemployment and social unrest. War would be one of the easiest ways to accomplish this. China is still years away from having to do this.

China would have good reason to attack India, as it will eventually emerge as its major rival in Asia and the world, but this would be geographically very difficult. China's borders are easily defensible, and it refuses to relinquish Tibet precisely because it is part of a defensive wall. Since the Chinese military is nothing short of incompetent, I would not expect China to engage in any serious military offensive without first undertaking in a long term plan of military growth (this is underway) and without then precipitating a small war to battle test its military. Expect it to create stronger trade relationships with the nations it hopes to exploit for cheap labor and resources, namely Laos, Myanmar, Mongolia and maybe Bangladesh. Expect it to attack Vietnam. It will choose Vietnam because Vietnam's military is a perfect test target for China's, because Vietnam has no friends, because Vietnam claims to have won the Sino-Vietnamese War, because it's to China's military power, and once captured, will be easily defensible against foreign powers. The cause of war will almost certainly be the Spratley Islands, which I trust China will soon begin to patrol with the blue water fleet it is building.
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2009, 09:33:42 AM »
Ridiculous article, you guys are taking this seriously?

I'm really afraid of China. Just examine their economy. Higher, higher in every year. And they are communist too...
You know nothing of China. That's where real capitalism is taking place. You'd be amazed at the ease of starting a new business in China. They are no longer communist, only communist in name.

Teutonic Knight, you are so naive.  China is completely communist and is using capitalism as a tool to take control of the world's resources.  The idea being they will let us eat all the apples we want just so long as in the end they control the orchard.  Their entire economy is command and control and every business is subject to bribery from corrupt government officials.
:::D I had fun reading your post. I'm not even going to bother arguing with people who are clueless about China. Go learn something for a change. China is capitalist and only communist in name. There is no command economy in China. They are still repressive though, but capitalist still.

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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2009, 10:00:16 AM »
Ridiculous article, you guys are taking this seriously?

I'm really afraid of China. Just examine their economy. Higher, higher in every year. And they are communist too...
You know nothing of China. That's where real capitalism is taking place. You'd be amazed at the ease of starting a new business in China. They are no longer communist, only communist in name.

Teutonic Knight, you are so naive.  China is completely communist and is using capitalism as a tool to take control of the world's resources.  The idea being they will let us eat all the apples we want just so long as in the end they control the orchard.  Their entire economy is command and control and every business is subject to bribery from corrupt government officials.
:::D I had fun reading your post. I'm not even going to bother arguing with people who are clueless about China. Go learn something for a change. China is capitalist and only communist in name. There is no command economy in China. They are still repressive though, but capitalist still.

If China is not communist, then where does it have the free democracy sponsored by the Big Bourgeoisie? At Taiwan?
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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2009, 10:05:47 AM »
Ridiculous article, you guys are taking this seriously?

I'm really afraid of China. Just examine their economy. Higher, higher in every year. And they are communist too...
You know nothing of China. That's where real capitalism is taking place. You'd be amazed at the ease of starting a new business in China. They are no longer communist, only communist in name.

Teutonic Knight, you are so naive.  China is completely communist and is using capitalism as a tool to take control of the world's resources.  The idea being they will let us eat all the apples we want just so long as in the end they control the orchard.  Their entire economy is command and control and every business is subject to bribery from corrupt government officials.
:::D I had fun reading your post. I'm not even going to bother arguing with people who are clueless about China. Go learn something for a change. China is capitalist and only communist in name. There is no command economy in China. They are still repressive though, but capitalist still.

Your delusion of a capitalist China is a testament to how effective their PR campaign has been on naive creatures like you willing to buy literally anything they produce, especially their lies. China remains 100% steadfastly communist and continues to repress any democratic thought or writings, blocking pro-democratic websites, books, etc.  Never forget what their government did to peaceful pro-democracy protesters in Tiananmen Square in 1989. 

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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2009, 10:27:45 AM »
Capitalism and democracy are not the same thing. For a foreigner and for many citizens, China offers far more capitalistic opportunities than the United States.
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2009, 10:46:07 AM »
Capitalism and democracy are not the same thing. For a foreigner and for many citizens, China offers far more capitalistic opportunities than the United States.

I understand the difference between capitalism and democracy.  China is a communist country that has developed a mercantilist economy based solely on their cheap labor, nearly all of which is command and control and subsidized by the state.  That is not capitalism, but rather state sponsored mercantilism.  The opportunities there are afforded primarily to manufacturing companies that want to undercut the American wage earner and thus the communist state reaps the benefit from their laborers working for both Chinese and American companies producing goods primarily for Americans, thus they've been able to acquire about $2 trillion in foreign exchange reserves.  They have used these reserves to buy natural resource producing companies, long term contracts for oil, strategic ports, etc. all over the world.  They are shrewd at producing cheap goods, but they are anything but capitalist.  That's been one of the biggest lies sold to naive Americans who swallowed it completely and try in vain to defend it.

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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2009, 11:26:16 AM »
China promotes mercantilism, but within a framework of capitalism. There's a lot of private ownership with regards to the means of production and the products thereof, and foreigners especially are given an almost free hand to do whatever they would like. Government-controlled Chinese corporations, especially those run by the PLA, are run to the same standards as private corporations. China does less to interdict private commerce than the United States.

The fact that China's economy is controlled by the top down doesn't make it communist, particularly given its favorable treatment of capitalist enterprise. This cannot be said for the United States, which engages in oppressive taxation, and burdens corporations with indirect controls, such as laws which give preferential treatment to unions and employees.
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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2009, 11:33:50 AM »
China, more than any other nation, has the ability to create an empire encompassing the whole world.

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« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2009, 12:29:07 PM »
It may mean that Canton has replaced Manchester and Birmingham. I am surprised to remember now what Marx has written about those epitomes of exploitation.

EuroCommunists exploiting the proletariat means it to be the Fascism.
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