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Madmarv:

--- Quote from: Lisa on July 30, 2009, 10:56:25 AM ---Madmarv, Zionism is simply the desire for the Jews to have a Jewish state in Israel.  With all the Christian countries in Europe and all the Muslim countries in the Middle East, why can't the Jews have one little country that is Jewish? 

How does Israel as a Jewish state infringe on any of your rights?  Are you saying that you would rather live under Hamas rule? 

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I didn't say Israel as a Jewish state infringe my rights in any way, I didn't say that I hate jews or disagree with them coming to israel, or even having a country. I just disagree with the belief behind zionism that's all. Suddenly I have all the forum pointing fingers at me hatefully because of my beliefs? I don't really, at all, care if all the jews in the world came to israel... and I'm against Islam from the buttom of my heart... but Zionism is more of a religious movement, to have a jewish country for jewish people only, because they believe that jesus will come for them, to israel, and rule the world with them, only in israel, religiously and historically, and so and so ...
I really, really don't agree with that logic. If my beliefs is trespassing on your forums guidelines somehow, then sorry I didn't mean to, as I said, I've came here using a link in facebook in a group named "F*ck Islam" replace the * with u, and I hoped I could share my knowledge and ideas about islam here as well. I didn't have no idea that opposing to Zionism conceptually will make me unwelcome.

And for the love of god, everyone, I've had enough of hate speech against me, stop it, you've made your point, I'll leave, just don't explode and take your pills already.

Madmarv:

--- Quote from: ProudAndZionist on July 30, 2009, 11:10:12 AM ---Who the hell are you? You are joining to the forum and attacking us? We don't need you. Don't you understand? Type "ask rabbi" to the google, and then you will get many sites where you can ask about Judaism, BUT:

IT IS NOT YOUR PLACE. (WELL YOUR PLACE IS THE HELL, AND I WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU, YOU KILLED MANY JEWISH KIDS, AND BURNING CARS IN EUROPE. AND YOU KILLED MY BELOVED PRINCESS'S RELATIVES TOO.

SO LEAVE THIS FORUM VERY SOON!

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W..T..F are you talking about? what are you onto?

Lisa:
Madmarv, Jews don't believe in Jesus.  Christians do.  There are Christian Zionists who believe in the second coming of Christ.  On the other hand, Jews believe that the Messiah is yet to come. 

So I still don't understand what is it about Zionism that you disagree with. 

I'm Jewish.  My family attended an Orthodox Jewish Synagogue when I was growing up.  I have never heard any rabbi say that Jews will one day rule the world. 

As for non-Jews living in Israel, we have no problem with that, as long as long as they accept the fact that Israel is a Jewish state. 

Spectator:

--- Quote from: Madmarv on July 30, 2009, 11:24:24 AM ---I didn't say Israel as a Jewish state infringe my rights in any way, I didn't say that I hate jews or disagree with them coming to israel, or even having a country..

I don't really, at all, care if all the jews in the world came to israel...
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If you really mean that, it's great. I wonder if you have enough courage to say the same to your Arab friends.


--- Quote from: Madmarv on July 30, 2009, 11:24:24 AM ---...Zionism is more of a religious movement, to have a jewish country for jewish people only, because they believe that jesus will come for them, to israel, and rule the world with them, only in israel, religiously and historically, and so and so ...
I really, really don't agree with that logic. 
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Your understanding of Zionism is incorrect. I think you got from Islamic fascist or a Nazi site.

Madmarv:

--- Quote from: Spectator on July 30, 2009, 11:41:46 AM ---
Your understanding of Zionism is incorrect. I think you got from Islamic fascist or a Nazi site.


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Then be kind and explain it to me from your own point of view, instead of flooding me with ignorant hate speech.

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