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Muslims in South-Western Serbia (Speech)
sonja_yu:
--- Quote from: Serbian_Radical_Party on August 11, 2009, 08:22:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: voo-yo on August 10, 2009, 02:23:14 PM ---
--- Quote ---Do you really think that the Koran was the inspiration of the communist Bosnian Muslims to start that kind of adventure in BiH?
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Yes, Koran and their evil culture. While you probably think that "evil western conspirators" went to every muslim in Bosnia and talked him into a war with their brothers Serbs ::) Yes, they got outside help, but you must understand that they don't need outside help to hate us.
p.s. We are running in circles here. You are stubbornly holding to Seselj's ideology, which is incompatible with this forum.
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Sorry my Serbian brother but you have just proven that you lost reality.
Bosnian Muslim army as well as the KLA and the HDZ terrorist/ separatist formation were armed by US and Western powers.
On suggestion of Franjo Tudjman and the Americans, Alija Izetbegovic started to conduct session from Yugoslavia. Every educated, informed and intelligent Serb knows that the third party was behind the collapse of Yugoslavia.
On who's suggestion started Croats and Bosnian Muslims to betray Serbs in 1941 and in 1990?
It was all planned in the West. Please if you are a real Serb you must understand this.
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The third party WAS behind separation of Yugoslavia, but... I wouldn't even say THIRD party.
True, NATO and EU had interests in the Balkans, they still do, BUT, Muslims, Arabs from the Middle East and various Islamic fundamentalist organizations had them too, just different ones.
They NEED a safe place in Europe, they need loyal Muslims in Europe, they need Islamic regions in Europe, they need road into Europe and this is the part the West has nothing to do with.
As you've said, they were mainly Communists in SFRY, they weren't extreme, but, as soon as Communism fell and religious revival came to scene, extremists were "born" among them. When religious revival takes place, it is more likely to come to religious fundamentalism, too, Muslims weren't the only ones, but since the conception of their religion is very political and social affective, their is the most dangerous one.
People here are NOT "those" Westerners you are criticizing, people here fight against Islamic extremism as well as Obama (Obamism), Liberalism, Nazism, Communism etc, and nobody supports people like Clinton (either of them) or Biden.
Serbian_Radical_Party:
--- Quote from: sonja_yu on August 11, 2009, 05:36:53 PM ---
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True, NATO and EU had interests in the Balkans, they still do, BUT, Muslims, Arabs from the Middle East and various Islamic fundamentalist organizations had them too, just different ones.
They NEED a safe place in Europe, they need loyal Muslims in Europe, they need Islamic regions in Europe, they need road into Europe and this is the part the West has nothing to do with.
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Ok sister thank you for your explanation.
Do you Sonja really think that the authorities of the EU would allow armed Muslim extremists to arrive in the hart of Europe just like that? They will olny allow something like that, if that would contribute to the achievement of their geopoliticalinterests. If you follow the trial against R. Karadzic, than you will hear some interesting conclusions regarding this subject.
An important question is: is it possible for thousandsof foreign Muslims extremists to arrive in Europe with out permission and assistance of EU authorities? Muslm extremists did not arrive with donkies to Bosnia, it has been proven that they were brought by UN powers to Bosnia and the EU authorities did not have any problems with the fact that Muslim extremists from third countries werearriving to Bosnia in order to kill Serbs.
--- Quote from: sonja_yu on August 11, 2009, 05:36:53 PM ---As you've said, they were mainly Communists in SFRY, they weren't extreme, but, as soon as Communism fell and religious revival came to scene, extremists were "born" among them. When religious revival takes place, it is more likely to come to religious fundamentalism, too, Muslims weren't the only ones, but since the conception of their religion is very political and social affective, their is the most dangerous one.
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Yes but EU cooperated with the Bosnian Moslim government which had close ties with the Moslim extremists. EU and America did not have any problems with with Moslim extremists killing Serbs and they even supplied weapons to them. During the 90s EU tolerated Moslim extremism against Serbs. Today Bosnia is a typical NAVO puppet state which is placed under the dicated of NATO. During the 90s and the 80s Moslim extremists were supported by the West against Serbs and Russians. If Moslims extremists kill Russians and Serbs than the West helps them. Moslims are according to the West freedom fighters and victims when they kill Serbs and Russians. The West only considers Moslims as terrorists if they attack their original financiers who is America. This kind of Moslim fanatics were Washington\\\'s tools to cause the collapse of the USSR and SFRJ.
I do not think that EU and US interests are different to the interests of Moslim extremists, because Moslim extremists have been supported by the West. In Afganistan and IRak US was not attacking Moslim extremists but Afgan and Iraqi civilians. Moslim extremists in Yugoslavia were not enemies of the US an they caused together with Croatia the collapse of Yugoslavia (SFRJ) and that was the interest of he EU to ensure the EU expansion towards Eastern-Europe.
Serbian_Radical_Party:
--- Quote from: voo-yo on August 11, 2009, 08:36:56 AM ---We were having wars with them before America or EU even existed. Who supplied them then?
Look SRS, we are only repeating ourselves. There's no point in discussing further.
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I know brother but I see that you are making mistakes by blaming everything on the Muslims.
It is not black and white as you want it to portray.
If you look at history than you must know that the Vatican (West) supported they Turkish colonization against Serbia. You can not blame everythink on Muslims.
Spectator:
--- Quote from: Serbian_Radical_Party on August 12, 2009, 03:44:44 AM ---During the 90s and the 80s Moslim extremists were supported by the West against Serbs and Russians. If Moslims extremists kill Russians and Serbs than the West helps them. Moslims are according to the West freedom fighters and victims when they kill Serbs and Russians. The West only considers Moslims as terrorists if they attack their original financiers who is America. This kind of Moslim fanatics were Washington\\\'s tools to cause the collapse of the USSR and SFRJ.
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USSR acted absolutely identically. For example, it supported and trained Marxist DFLP (Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine) which is a part of PLO. Because DFLP was Marxist and acted against Israel, they was considered "freedom fighters" by the Soviet Union.
These "freedom fighters" attacked on May 15, 1974 in Ma'alot, Israel and murdered 22 Israeli high school students, aged 14–16. Before reaching the school, the trio shot and killed two Arab women, a Jewish man, his pregnant wife, and their 4 year old son, and wounded several others
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma'alot_massacre
Serbian_Radical_Party:
--- Quote from: Spectator on August 12, 2009, 04:10:57 AM ---USSR acted absolutely identically.
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Well not on the same level, my brother.
You can not compare the American support to Muslim extremists with the Soviet support to them. Islamic warriors depended more on American support than on other sources.
But I understand your point USSR was not a clean Empire it was pure evil.
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