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Muslims in South-Western Serbia (Speech)
voo-yo:
Now it should be clear to everyone here what is SRP's agenda and his stance on Israel.
Mods, are anti-Israel people allowed to post here?
Spectator:
--- Quote from: voo-yo on August 18, 2009, 10:38:02 AM ---Now it should be clear to everyone here what is SRP's agenda and his stance on Israel.
Mods, are anti-Israel people allowed to post here?
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Voo-yo, why do you think SRS is anti-Israeli? Do you think he is advocating a bi-national state in the Holy Land?
Or he means that he is not against a Jewish state in the Middle East somewhere else than between the Mediterranean sea and Jordan river?
:::D
What is the offical position of the Serbian Radical Party (real party not our member SRS) on this issue?
voo-yo:
--- Quote ---Do you think he is advocating a bi-national state in the Holy Land?
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Definitely.
--- Quote ---Or he means that he is not against a Jewish state in the Middle East somewhere else than between the Mediterranean sea and Jordan river?
rotflmao!
What is the offical position of the Serbian Radical Party (real party not our member SRS) on this issue?
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SRP was right when he said Israel is not something they think about a lot. But their opinion is that Arabs suffered an injustice and that they should get a state. SRS logic: America is evil, America supports Israel = Israel can't be right in the conflict. In their twisted world they equate Fakestinians with the Serbs in some way. They think Arabs are our friends (God knows why). SRS are not hardcore anti-semites, they just view the world through the cold war glasses, and think Jews are imperialistic servants of USA.
I know Jewish position is difficult, and you are satisfied with even minimal "support" like the one SRP gives you, but I think what he writes here is unacceptable.
Spectator:
Voo-yo, you are right, the world has so many hardcore antisemites that even what our member SRS says sounds not that bad (of course if he doesn't mean bi-national state or transferring the Jewish state out of the Land of Israel).
That is why your clear support of Israel is really admirable. You are the true friend. Thank you very much.
sonja_yu:
--- Quote ---Of course I know this.....!
I never said that Islam is a race!
If I use the word racist than I am referring to people who condemn different oriented people.
If you discriminate people only because they are born of parents who stick to an certain religion, than that is an form of racism.
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OK, your point of view, but not suitable for the definition.
Tell me, if you are against someone who is of different political orientation, is that racism?
Of course not, and that is an orientation, too.
Religion, just like political orientation, isn't innate and is changeable.
If you hate someone because of his/her skin=color, eye-color, ethnic background or something that the person has got by birth, that is racism.
--- Quote ---Muslims who live in Iraq and Afghanistan are on their own territory and the US is not permitted to conduct atrocities against people on their own territory.
If you do not agree that US troops are permitted to invade Serbian lands, than why do you have problems with Muslims who are fighting against the occupying forces on their own territory?
I really look forward to your answer on this question!
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You obviously haven't read my comment properly.
Read again, I've already answered your question.
--- Quote from: sonja_yu ---From my point of view, they should have just left the Sunni and Shia in Iraq do with themselves whatever they would, it wouldn't make terrorists stronger, but rather weaker.
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Which means I don't.
--- Quote from: sonja_yu ---But, what about the NATIVE Assyrians there?
You have no idea how many Christian Churches were destroyed in Iraq.
Who is there to support the Assyrians?
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But there's always the "BUT".
And not only Assyrians, what about non-Muslim Kurds (since only somewhat a half or less of Kurds are Muslims), although I don't like Kurds too much?
--- Quote from: sonja_yu ---Nobody and yet they are being oppressed and nobody mentions that, everyone is just mourning the Muslims.
Lebanon was a similar story.
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Everyone is mourning Muslims and never exposes what's going on with the others, while many of those atrocities are done by Muslims themselves.
You know that they use human shields, I think you do.
--- Quote ---You have no idea that the replacer of Saddam Hussein was a Christian.
You also have no idea that during the rule of Saddam Christian and Jewish communities existed in Iraq.
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I know that the current Iraqi regime sucks even more and I'm not defending US actions, I'm just trying to explain that the responsible are ideologies - Liberalism, Globalism and too extreme Capitalism, not Western nations.
--- Quote ---Many Christian churches were destroyed bu US troops during the invasion against Iraq.
When US troops arrived in Iraq, terrorism started to increase!
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In fact, most were destroyed by Muslim bomb attacks, but I agree with your point, when the International Community, or more precise - NATO moved in, everything gone worse, just like everywhere else they "intervened".
I think you have misunderstood me.
All of your criticisms against USA are applicable to the entire NATO and I'm NOT defending that, I just don't want to side with the Muslims (as you do) just because I'm against the other side.
Please, understand - I'm not supporting neither of them, I'm against both, I'm on the "third" side, or maybe even forth. They are both wrong, and so is extreme Communism. Two minuses don't make plus, unlike in the maths, one smart person said, two bad are bot good and we should just distance ourselves from them, in the ideological and political sense.
--- Quote ---I hope so!
I am not pro Muslim, but who guarantees to me that my own religion will not be threated just like Islam here?
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I will tell you who - you will.
You will, by never becoming like them and the rest of its followers by not preaching hate and murder against people who don't believe in what they want them to.
Remember, our religion was hated, much, much, much worse that than. By who? By Muslims and Catholics mostly. Remember how much our people were persecuted by both. Did they ever apologize? Catholics... some, but NOT including that rich maniac the Pope. Muslims........ only few, mostly the ones raised in either Socialit society or in quite moderate surrounding with more different religions. I know a few, they didn't actually apologize but did say "I don't approve that, it is horrible etc".
We were hated for no good reason, for being a disliked minority everywhere, for being different, for refusing their beliefs, for standing up against them.
Islam here is not disliked for no reason and all Spectator has said in that post is true.
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