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sonja_yu:
--- Quote from: Spectator on August 20, 2009, 02:11:45 PM ---Too bad France, UK and USA forgot who was their ally in both world wars.
BTW post-war Tito's Yugoslavia was considered a traitor by Soviet Union. They thought Yugoslavia is too independent and too pro-Western. There were even dissidents (persecuted, of course) in USSR who wanted that it follow Yugoslav model of communism. Compared to that of USSR, Yugoslav model seemed to them more moderate and democratic.
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But it was still Communism and it was really a paradox to see American president to sit with one Communist president and enjoy local food.
Don't be surprised that Tito-made Yugoslavia was ruined by the West after the Cold War ended.
When you sit on two chairs, even when just one breaks, you'll fall from both.
Yugoslavia was the Bridge during the Cold War and when it ended, the bridge just collapsed.
Nik_Srb:
croatia and slovenia became nations thanks to us,they joined so that they could brake up yugo later,serbia was offered a lot of territories after ww1,like half of present day "croatia"
and to be clear,croats are just catholicised serbs
serbian army:
I was a very bad move by our naive king. You help a frozen snake to warm up and the snake will bite you. >:(
Serbian_Radical_Party:
First of all my compliments to Sonja’s intelligent answers!
We need more young Serbs who are informed about Serbian history.
Unfortunately our youth is being westernized today. With westernized I mean brainwashed.
--- Quote from: Spectator on August 20, 2009, 04:56:51 AM ---Why did the West insist then that the common state be created? It seems opposite to what they did in 1990-ies when they supported Yugoslavia's disintegration and creation of national states.
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This is a good question and unfortunately many Serbs can not answer it!
WW1 escaladed because of certain purposes. They main reason behind WW1 was not directly connected to Serbia. But WW1 was also used as an opportunity to eliminate the works of the Serbian rebellions from the 19th century who managed to reestablish the Serbian kingdom. During WW1 Serbs were exterminated by the Austro-Hungarian Empire, who build concentration camps against Serbs. During WW1 Serbia lost 40% of its population.
Nobody expected the scenario [Kolubarska bitka] when the Serbs managed to overpower the Austro-Hungarian army. The Serbs provided incredible results during WW1 and that’s why we have a Serbian state today, thanks to our heroes from WW1. Otherwise we would be exterminated by Hungarians, Austrians, Germans and their allies during WW1.
If they can not exterminate you (physically) during the war, than they will find an other manner to solve the problem with you! That’s why they suggested and forced the naïve Serbian delegation to create a common state with Croats and Slovenians, who carried out atrocities against Serbs from 1914 to 1918. The excuse of the naïve Serbian delegation was that every kingdom wants to enlarge its territory. Royal Yugoslavia was a disaster!
Within royal Yugoslavia Croatia and Bosnia were created! During this period the extreme naïve Serbian intellectuals allowed Croatians to declared Serbian language as Serbo-Croatian language! Because of this naïve policy Croatia is today using Serbian language as the official language of Republic of Croatia. Also Serbian territory was annexed to Croatia during that period. The Serbian delegation allowed this because they naively believed that Royal Yugoslavia was unbreakable!
During R. Yugoslavia, the Yugoslavian authorities agreed a concordat with the Vatican, who tried to exterminate Serbs during WW1. This leaded into the increase of Vatican’s influence in the Yugoslavian/ Serbian society. The Catholic Church gained almost the same status as the Serbian Orthodox Church.
Spectator:
Thank you SPR for the informative answer.
--- Quote from: Serbian_Radical_Party on October 05, 2009, 04:10:56 AM ---During WW1 Serbs were exterminated by the Austro-Hungarian Empire, who build concentration camps against Serbs.
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That is terrible. I did not know that.
--- Quote from: Serbian_Radical_Party on October 05, 2009, 04:10:56 AM ---If they can not exterminate you (physically) during the war, than they will find an other manner to solve the problem with you!
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But why the Germans and their allies were so eager to get rid of Serbs, even after the war?
I can understand they were angry for the assasination of Archduke Ferdinand by Gavrilo Princip (that was the official cause of the war) but it is certainly not the reason to destroy the whole Serbian nation. It is more like an excuse. Also, if you say they hated Serbs because they are Orthodox Christians, Bulgarians are also Orthodox Christians and they were allies of Germany in that war.
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