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Ask JTF for Sunday September 6, 2009
Trace:
Shalom Chaim,
What I have to say today concerns the country known as Holland or The Netherlands. It saddens me very much what has happened to them. The Dutch Republic was formed when the various Dutch provinces were originally united in 1581 by Prince William "The Silent" of Orange in a revolt against the Spanish monarchy, very similar to what happened in the American Revolution. From the very beginning, it was a haven for people fleeing the religious persecution of the Spanish, especially Jews. In the following years leading up to the Dutch independence in 1648, the Jews were an integral part of the political and financial power of the House of Orange which controlled the Netherlands, and the princes of Orange repaid the Jews by giving them a degree of religious freedom unprecedented in Europe. The Dutch monarchs would even attend the openings of new synagogues and the weddings of prominent Jews. It seems like a country should be rewarded for being good to the Jews, but look what is happening to them now. Muslims are pouring into the Netherlands and they are creating huge problems with crime, drugs, and religious violence. When Theo Van Gogh spoke out against them, he was assassinated. The Muslims are basically dominating the Netherlands with the threat of violence and terror, and the government is afraid to do anything about it. What did this country do to be cursed with such a Muslim problem? Hashem said "I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee" - clearly Holland is being cursed. But for what exactly? Anyway It seems to me that most Western countries are too tolerant for their own good. I think it's time for them to try a little intolerance for a change.
The One and Only Mo:
Dear Chaim, last week you talked about Olam Haba and the pleasures of the World to Come. Do you believe that a neshama still sees and hears the things going on in this world? When we die, will we still be connected with our loved ones? Thanks and may we merit Tchiyas Hameisim B'mheira V'yameinu.
דוד בן זאב אריה:
Dear Chaim it is widely excepted that a Muslims invented Algabra. I have a hunch that this is a bunch of garbage. Who really invented Algabra
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
Regarding Gush Katif, I don't think people on the forum understand that the failure had nothing to do with whether it was a rightwinger or a leftwinger pushing the policy. The failure was the ideology of most people in Gush Katif which largely said that any Israeli policy is supreme (even above Torah, or in their mind it really is compatable with Torah but you just can't understand how). It was not a delusion that they thought it was a good policy, or unwillingness to oppose the policy or to oppose right or oppose left, because sharon's such a great guy, it was an unwillingness to fight the establishment, period. Gush Katif was mostly filled with mamlachtim and also secular Jews. Those mamlachtim unwilling to fight sabotaged the efforts of those who were willing to fight the establishment. Whether right or left, same result. If it was livni or some other pathetic leftwinger they still would have been weak-kneed in saying "no" to the Israeli establishment.
I believe that a big part of the difference with Amona was that people learned the lessons from Gush Katif, saw what mistakes were made, and took a different path. This included but not limited to, those who showed up to defend filling the place with people really willing to fight (not mamlachtim), keeping the yesha council out of it for the most part, and no big opportunity for erev rav to sabotage from within as it was less centralized and less under a given authority.
Those are my two cents, what say ye, Chaim?
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on August 30, 2009, 12:29:21 PM ---Regarding Gush Katif, I don't think people on the forum understand that the failure had nothing to do with whether it was a rightwinger or a leftwinger pushing the policy. The failure was the ideology of most people in Gush Katif which largely said that any Israeli policy is supreme (even above Torah, or in their mind it really is compatable with Torah but you just can't understand how). It was not a delusion that they thought it was a good policy, or unwillingness to oppose the policy or to oppose right or oppose left, because sharon's such a great guy, it was an unwillingness to fight the establishment, period. Gush Katif was mostly filled with mamlachtim and also secular Jews. Those mamlachtim unwilling to fight sabotaged the efforts of those who were willing to fight the establishment. Whether right or left, same result. If it was livni or some other pathetic leftwinger they still would have been weak-kneed in saying "no" to the Israeli establishment.
I believe that a big part of the difference with Amona was that people learned the lessons from Gush Katif, saw what mistakes were made, and took a different path. This included but not limited to, those who showed up to defend filling the place with people really willing to fight (not mamlachtim), keeping the yesha council out of it for the most part, and no big opportunity for erev rav to sabotage from within as it was less centralized and less under a given authority.
Those are my two cents, what say ye, Chaim?
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I know you were referring to me. I stand by what I said, because prior to this abominable decision Sharon had a much better reputation than Barak. According to recent opinion polls it is looking like average Israelis ARE learning from the debacles of Gush Katif, the Second Lebanon "War", and Operation Cast Lead and so hopefully the cachet of a "right-wing nationalist" phony is starting to wear thin. That is a great sign and hopefully it will be enough to get some more resistance on the ground, but there is still a long way to go.
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