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mord:
The First Jews in Israel were orthodox.The first shomrim who guarsed israel were made up of mainly bucharian Jews who were religious

saintaugusto:
I asked who primarily took part in liberating Israel from the British and Arabs in 1940's?

Nic Brookes:

--- Quote from: or_ly on May 17, 2007, 01:29:09 PM ---And what is "Jdate"?

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A dating site for Jews, as far as I am aware.

MarZutra:

--- Quote from: saintaugusto on May 17, 2007, 01:39:29 PM ---
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I think you should remove this prejudice by thinking that I might be Christian and that what drives me.

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Nothing prejudice whatsoever...look at your name... it is only a logical guess.

--- Quote from: saintaugusto on May 17, 2007, 01:55:42 PM ---
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1) Jews suffered much worse under Christians.
2) Jews assimilated more under Chistians. I don't care wether it's Socialism, Capitalism, or Alpinism.
3) Of course, Muslims did not treat Jews as kings. But who should treat you as a king, if you don't know your worth and don't defend yourself.

You want a fair treatment? Do not let anyone expel you from your homeland and be a king in your own land.

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Very much true but also debatable actually.  Perhaps longer under Christians.  At certain times and better under Christians other times worse.... back and forth my friend...back and forth.  When times were harsh under Christianity many Jews fled to the Arab States.  A good example is the Jews under the Ottoman Empire.  When Islam was harsh the reverse situation occured.  You are largely accurate.  "Jews of Islam" - Bernard Lewish and "The Dhimmi" - Bat Yeor are two very good books on this specific subject.  2) Is not true at all unless one is speaking about forced conversions...  As a matter of fact one need not look further than the Emancipation/Enlightenment under Germany or France for which many Jews left their faith primarily from Christian anti-semitism, Ghettos and Czarist Pogroms in Russia for which many turned to Judaism and Communism: the concept of Deformed Judaism is the prime example.  3) I'm not going to entertain this comment... sorry. 

--- Quote from: saintaugusto on May 17, 2007, 02:00:03 PM ---
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You were the ones, I was not one of you. And guess who is complaining now. Not me.

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I am not complaining whatsoever, just displaying a factual response.  I do not mean to be rude but pointing out fact....It was Judaism who invented the concepts of morality and equality between Men and Woman under HaShem.

--- Quote from: saintaugusto on May 17, 2007, 02:05:03 PM ---
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You remember what HaRav Meir Kahane said about knowing and defaming?

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Not defaming whatsoever, just pointing out a blatant fact of reality by your earlier posts and position re: Judaism.  Not defaming.... stating fact...and to I was direct and polite in doing such to be quite honest.

--- Quote from: saintaugusto on May 17, 2007, 02:16:54 PM ---I asked who primarily took part in liberating Israel from the British and Arabs in 1940's?

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In the 1940's it was the Revisionists under Begin and Yitzak Shamir both formerly under Jabbotinsky while the Labor Zionists (Jewish Socialists) under Gurion's Mapai Party controlled the Hagganah who turned them on the Revisionists while working for the British to keep Zion closed during WW2.  In all actuality it was the followers of Jabbotinsky that liberated Zion from the British.  It was their bombing of the King David Hotel and other Military targets to drive out the British.....  Is that acceptable? 

saintaugusto:

--- Quote ---In the 1940's it was the Revisionists under Begin and Yitzak Shamir both formerly under Jabbotinsky while the Labor Zionists (Jewish Socialists) under Gurion's Mapai Party controlled the Hagganah who turned them on the Revisionists while working for the British to keep Zion closed during WW2.  In all actuality it was the followers of Jabbotinsky that liberated Zion from the British.  It was their bombing of the King David Hotel and other Military targets to drive out the British.....  Is that acceptable?
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Brilliant. They were not orthodox Jews, were they?

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