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Chaim Ben Pesach Explains Why Recognition of Kosovo endangers Israel & America!
Serbian_Radical_Party:
--- Quote from: Spectator on October 20, 2009, 04:32:54 AM ---Russia fought bloody wars with Muslims in Afghanistan and Chechnya, and now Russia also supports some Arab or Muslim countries or movements to win their popularity.
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Russia was indeed trapped to enter in a military conflict with the Muslims.
The US played this game also in Yugoslavia. In USSR and in Yugoslavia the US replaced communist, loyal Muslims with radical Islamists. Without support coming from US, radical Islam would not have chance in USSR and Yugoslavia. From the former USSR the radical Islamists spread to whole Middle East and Balkans. These radicals can endanger Serbs and Muslims of the Balkans, just like the can harm the state of Israel and Jews in Middle East. The American support to radical Islamists, during the 80s, contributed to the destabilization of the whole planet including Israel.
To claim that America who funded radical Islamists is an Israeli ally and that Russia who fought against those extremists is against Israel does not make sense to me.
--- Quote from: Spectator on October 20, 2009, 04:32:54 AM ---Russia fought bloody wars with Muslims in Afghanistan and Chechnya, and now Russia also supports some Arab or Muslim countries or movements to win their popularity. Russia gives political support to such terrorist organization as Hamas and also helps radical Islamic republic of Iran to develop nuclear weapons.
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It does not sound logic. Why would Russia support Islamic radicals if Russia had problems with them in the past and when its clear that Russia considers them as a potential threat?
Russia is not developing nuclear weapons in Islamic nations. Islamic nations gained nuclear weapons with support of Bill Clinton in 1997. So if someboby has a problem with the fact that Muslims have nuclear bombs, than he should blame America who has a reputation of funding Islamic terror.
--- Quote from: Spectator on October 20, 2009, 04:32:54 AM ---Also, just as US/West in Kosovo, Russia supported separatist movements in Abkhazia and South Ossetia and placed its troops on souvereign Georgian terrirory.
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I strongly disagree with this bro :)!
After the US and EU recognized Kosovo, international law does not count any longer.
Secondly, Russia avoided ethnic cleansing in Georgia and that is not to be compared with the American affairs on Kosovo. On Kosovo America armed a national minority, caused a civil war, but in Georgia Russia prevented the intent to cleanse the Russian autochthonic inhabits. Its Russian obligation to prevent genocide.
If you claim that Russian is occupying Georgian territory than other will use this way of thinking to claim that Serbs occupied territory of Republic of Croatian in 1991, when they established Republic of Serbian Krajina, as response to Croatian separation of Yugoslavia.
Russian areas in Georgia are to be compared to Serbian areas [RSK] in Croatia :)
If you claim Russians in Abkhazia and South Ossetia are separatists, than you can also say Krajina Serbs were separatists in 1991? I know that you do not think like that bro, but others will.
Spectator:
--- Quote from: Serbian_Radical_Party on October 20, 2009, 05:00:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: Spectator on October 20, 2009, 04:32:54 AM ---Russia fought bloody wars with Muslims in Afghanistan and Chechnya, and now Russia also supports some Arab or Muslim countries or movements to win their popularity. Russia gives political support to such terrorist organization as Hamas and also helps radical Islamic republic of Iran to develop nuclear weapons.
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It does not sound logic. Why would Russia support Islamic radicals if Russia had problems with them in the past and when its clear that Russia considers them as a potential threat?
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This is very logical. Russia supports Islamic radicals who fight against US/West and fights those who fight Russia. Besides, as you said, Russia wants to be a superpower, therefore it tries to regain influence in such a key region as Middle East. If US supports Islamist Saudi Arabia, Russia supports Islamist Iran. If US supports terrorist PLO/Fatah, Russia supports terrorist Hamas. It is a matter of geopolitical interests.
Serbian_Radical_Party:
I think that Russia does not have choice. Its obviously that America started this game in the 80s. Due this geopolitical game small nations like Serbs and Israeli Jews will become victims.
If Russian ‘supports’ Iran, than its because of America who openly says that I wants to conquer Eurasia. Russian does not want to see US army in Iran because that represents threat to Russian stabilization.
I think Russian has the right to defend its national security.
Spectator:
--- Quote from: Serbian_Radical_Party on October 20, 2009, 05:00:21 AM ---If you claim that Russian is occupying Georgian territory than other will use this way of thinking to claim that Serbs occupied territory of Republic of Croatian in 1991, when they established Republic of Serbian Krajina, as response to Croatian separation of Yugoslavia.
Russian areas in Georgia are to be compared to Serbian areas [RSK] in Croatia :)
If you claim Russians in Abkhazia and South Ossetia are separatists, than you can also say Krajina Serbs were separatists in 1991? I know that you do not think like that bro, but others will.
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There are no Russian areas in Georgia. There are Abkhazians and Ossetians in Georgia, not Russians.
As for alleged genocide, it is as fake as the claims that Serbs wanted to commit genocide on Albanians in Kosovo.
And the situation in Georgia and Croatia/Krajina is absolutely incomparable. Socialist Croatia was officially a bi-national state of Croats and Serbs whereas Abkhazia and S. Ossetia was autonoumous regions of Georgia.
And just like US didn't care about Kosovo Albanians but cared to target Serbia, Russia didn't care about Abkhazians and Ossetians but cared to target American ally Georgia.
Serbian_Radical_Party:
--- Quote from: Spectator on October 20, 2009, 05:38:57 AM ---There are no Russian areas in Georgia. There are Abkhazians and Ossetians in Georgia, not Russians.
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Hehe dear bro..
Russians are natives in Abkhazians and Ossetians and they are to be compared to Serbs in Croatia and Hungary. Abkhazians and Ossetians are historical Russian territories which were annex by communist dictator Stalin to Georgia.
If you agree bro that communists annexed Serbian Krajina to Croatia in 1495, than you should understand that Abkhazians and Ossetians were annexed to Georgia by Stalinists. It does not change that fact that it are Russian historical and national territories. Russians were a constitutional nation within the USSR, just like the Serbs were constitutional nation within S. F. R. Yugoslavia.
--- Quote from: Spectator on October 20, 2009, 05:38:57 AM ---As for alleged genocide, it is as fake as the claims that Serbs wanted to commit genocide on Albanians in Kosovo.
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This is very, very anti-Russian. Even western media admits that Georgia wanted to conduct aggression on Russian people. Why being more anti-Russian than EU?
But ok I understand that you use American perspective.
I can place your own words in this context. Just see how sombody can interpret your own words bro: 'As for alleged genocide, it is as fake as the claims that Croats wanted to commit genocide on Serbs in Krajina.
This is just like claming that Republic of Serbia did not have the right to stop Croatian genocide on Krajina Serbs in 1995. Putin is not Milosevic or Yeltsin!
I think that everybody can see now that Georgia started gunfire on Russians and Russians are lucky to not have a Milosevic in charge but Putin!
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