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Serbs in Turkey
Spectator:
SRP, I always enjoy reading your posts, even if I don't agree with them. I only want to ask you one thing. Please not only put forward facts and your opinions but also try to answer the counter arguments posted by the other members. I notice that you always avoid hard questions. If you want that the others consider you seriously and not as a propaganda machine, you must at least try to answer them.
Vujo told you:
--- Quote from: voo-yo on November 10, 2009, 02:06:47 PM ---Let me tell you something, in 1878. during the II Serbo-Turkish war, our army and Chetnik units drove out more than 70000 Albanians and muslims from southern Serbia which we liberated. In those days, the European powers complained about it, and also our "bleeding hearts" in Serbia like yourself. They said it's not civilized and moral, just like you told me.
--- End quote ---
What is your opinion on that? Is it true? Are there other facts that should be mentioned in relation to it? Was it justified? Can it be called "ethnic cleansing"? You cannot continue your point about Serbian-Muslim alliance without answering these questions.
Serbian_Radical_Party:
Spectator
If somebody calles me this and that, than I will aviod such person.
Spectator:
--- Quote from: Serbian_Radical_Party on November 11, 2009, 03:14:15 AM ---Spectator
If somebody calles me this and that, than I will aviod such person.
--- End quote ---
Well maybe he exaggerated a bit. You used to call him names too in the past. I hope you both will make peace.
But now I ask you the same question, about those events of 1878. What is your opinion?
Serbian_Radical_Party:
Spectator,
Is not that I am advocating a some kind of Serbian-Islamic alliance.
I want to have normal relations with Muslims, who do not have anything against Serbs. Just like I want to have normal relations with Jews who support Serbia, the same counts for others. If Jews or Muslims reject Serbophobia, than I am prepared to talk to them. The same counts for Croats and others.
If Croats condemn Serbophobia, than we can have a conversation.
I want to convince people to reject Serbophobia.
--- Quote from: Spectator on November 11, 2009, 03:10:18 AM ---What is your opinion on that? Is it true? Are there other facts that should be mentioned in relation to it? Was it justified? Can it be called "ethnic cleansing"? You cannot continue your point about Serbian-Muslim alliance without answering these questions.
--- End quote ---
It is true that after the collapse of the Ottomanic Empire which also occupied Serbian territories, many Muslims left the Balkans. That is a fact and I recognize that. I do not agree with Voojoo who spreads Western-propaganda, calming that Serbs are guilty for the fact that also many civilian Muslims left the Balkans after the Balkan wars.
Everybody knows that the Turkish authorities were the occupying forces of the Balkans. Turks arrived to the Balkans, by using violence and aggression.
The Serbs did not arrive to Turkish territory, but Turks arrived to Serbian national territory. The Serbs fought on their own territories and they were fighting against Turkish occupying forces and not against some kind of civilians.
When the Serbs overpowered, with help from Russia, the Turkish occupying forces, the Turkish authorities started to withdraw towards the lands of origin.
The Serbian rebellion caused the withdraw of Turks from the Balkan towards their land of origin, but that was a consequence of the Turkish oppression and occupation over Serbian territories.
This does not prove that Serbs cleansed Muslim civilians during the Serbian rebellion against the occupying forces. The Turkish army and authorities started to withdraw to their land of origin, after the Serbs liberated their territories.
The families of the occupying forces did not want to stay on the Balkans after the collapse of the Ottomanic Empire. The Serbs could not force the families of the Turkish authorities to remain in Serbia, during the withdrawing of the Turskih army.
Those Muslims who did not want to leave Serbia, after the liberation, were not cleansed by Serbs. These Muslims still live in Serbia and their human rights have always been guaranteed by Serbian authorities.
Serbs are not responsible for the fact that some Muslim families did not want to live on the Balkans after the Turkish authorities have been expelled.
It is logical that Turkish/Muslim families of the members of the Turkish authorities did not want to stay in Serba, after the expelling of the Turkish authorities [occupying forces].
Spectator:
--- Quote from: Serbian_Radical_Party on November 11, 2009, 03:34:16 AM ---I want to have normal relations with Muslims, who do not have anything against Serbs. Just like I want to have normal relations with Jews who support Serbia, the same counts for others. If Jews or Muslims reject Serbophobia, than I am prepared to talk to them. The same counts for Croats and others.
If Croats condemn Serbophobia, than we can have a conversation.
I want to convince people to reject Serbophobio.
--- End quote ---
This is a normal nationalistic approach. I understand it.
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