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Serbs in Turkey
voo-yo:
--- Quote from: Mehmetce on November 08, 2009, 06:50:05 AM ---Well ok,as far as I know there is no Serbs because I don't see them.
There are some Albanians,Bosnaks,Macedonians,Bulgarians,Greeks and all the others.
You may describe muslim serbs (bosnaks) as serbs but I don't.If they are not chrsitian,they are not serbs.
But no Serbs,This is maybe becuase of the war and violent acts which took place in 1990s and Turkish media showed the Serbs as evil.
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Exactly! You're a Turk, right?
Those Turks of serbian origin will never say they are of serbian origin. They will always say they are Bosnians, Bosniaks etc.
It's because we feel great hostility towards them, and they to us. We fought bitterly between each other for hundreds of years, unlike Greeks, Bulgarians and other Balkan nations.
Spectator:
--- Quote from: voo-yo on November 08, 2009, 06:51:34 AM ---
--- Quote from: Spectator on November 08, 2009, 06:47:34 AM ---It must be a great tragedy of Serbian people that so many Serbs were forced to abandon their nationality and/or religion.
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It's similar to Jewish fate, I think. How many of them are now muslim Arabs, or Catholics?
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Yes, Jews have lost millions of people because of forced or voluntary assimilation. There we many such Jews in Ancient Assyria (only 2 tribes remained while 10 were taken captive and disappeared), Roman Empire, in Spain, later in Eastern Europe and Russia and now in US.
Serbian_Radical_Party:
--- Quote from: Mehmetce on November 08, 2009, 06:50:05 AM ---Well OK,as far as I know there is no Serbs because I don't see them.
There are some Albanians,Bosnaks,Macedonians,Bulgarians,Greeks and all the others.
You may describe Muslim Serbs (bosnaks) as Serbs but I don't.If they are not chrsitian,they are not Serbs.
But no Serbs,This is maybe because of the war and violent acts which took place in 1990s and Turkish media showed the Serbs as evil.
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So you are ignoring the existence of the Serbian-Turkish friendship organization [Enat], which is also active on Turkish soil? You are not informed enough. You can go to Istanbul and encouter these Muslim Serbs.
Serbs are originally Christians, but on Serbian occupied territories colonial powers forced local Serbs to accept the religion of the occupying forces.
Do you really think that during the 500-year long Turkish occupation, Turkish authorities were not able to convert Serbs into Muslims? Of course they were able to conduct that. Where are those Muslim Serbs today? Most of them assimilated into new nations. They call them selves Bosniaks today. But they still speak Serbian. This confirms the assimilation of some Serbs.
On the other side, Catholic Empires ruled 1000 years long with Serbian territories and converted many Serbs into Catholics, who were later convinced to assimilate into Croatians.
So you have besides Orthodox Serbs, also Muslim and Catholic Serbs.
Muslim and Catholic Serbs from the Balkans were assimilated into new nations [Croatian and Bosniak]. Muslim Serbs from Turkey, condemn that and their representatives state that that is an immoral action.
voo-yo:
--- Quote ---If for example Serbs who emigrated to America, after 1945, became protestants or atheists.
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I don't need to cut them off, they cut themselves off, and won't be returning here.
--- Quote ---So if we tolerate Serbian atheists
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They are bad Serbs, but still Serbs.
--- Quote ---Serbian Catholics of Germany
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Never heard of such a case.
--- Quote ---why can not we also tolerate Serbian Muslims, who live in Turkey and are aware of their Serbian roots?
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They are not bad Serbs, they are good Turks.
--- Quote ---Serbian people who assimilated into Croats and Roman-Catholics have placed Orthodox Serbs in extermination camps during WW2. But still we do not condemn all Catholics. We do not do that.
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My opinion on them is the same, if not worse.
--- Quote ---Why hating Muslim Serbs of Turkey who were victims of colonial powers, who converted them, and who are aware of their Serbian heritage?
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Don't make me laugh. They willingly accepted Islam, and to this day they didn't convert back.
Serbian_Radical_Party:
--- Quote from: voo-yo on November 08, 2009, 07:10:25 AM ---Don't make me laugh. They willingly accepted Islam, and to this day they didn't convert back.
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If we hate them than they will not return to their original roots.
We who remained Orthodox Serbs must be an example. Problem is that current Orthodox Serbs are not behaving like real Orthodox Christians and that's why converted Serbs can not take example from us.
--- Quote ---Serbian Catholics of Germany
Never heard of such a case.
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They are called luziciki Serbs and were Catholized during the establishment of the Vatican in 1054.
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