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Serbian_Radical_Party:
Brother Spectator,
You are now mentioning that from the Jewish perspective.
You understand the Serbs who become Jews are in our eyes genetically Serbs.
The difference between them is that they are spiritually not Serbs, only genetically.
I think that we must not all hate all Serbs who left Orthodoxy.
Many of them were forced to do that. Some of them did it voluntarily but many were forced by the knife to abandon Orthodoxy.
voo-yo:
--- Quote from: Serbian_Radical_Party on November 08, 2009, 07:31:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: voo-yo on November 08, 2009, 07:27:59 AM ---Look, I've already told you. I'm willing to accept brothers, if they are also willing to change. I simply don't trust "Serbs" who bow before the Pope, or love Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
--- End quote ---
I agree but those Serbs do not identify them selves with Serbs.
This topic is about unorthodox Serbs who are aware of their Serbian heritage.
That's better than to assimilate in hostile nations, who are used like cannonmeat by US to destroy us.
--- End quote ---
I don't see your point here. If they want to be Serbs, they MUST reject Islam and Catholicism. The Pope cannot be their master anymore.
Mehmetce:
--- Quote from: voo-yo on November 08, 2009, 06:58:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mehmetce on November 08, 2009, 06:50:05 AM ---Well ok,as far as I know there is no Serbs because I don't see them.
There are some Albanians,Bosnaks,Macedonians,Bulgarians,Greeks and all the others.
You may describe muslim serbs (bosnaks) as serbs but I don't.If they are not chrsitian,they are not serbs.
But no Serbs,This is maybe becuase of the war and violent acts which took place in 1990s and Turkish media showed the Serbs as evil.
--- End quote ---
Exactly! You're a Turk, right?
Those Turks of serbian origin will never say they are of serbian origin. They will always say they are Bosnians, Bosniaks etc.
It's because we feel great hostility towards them, and they to us. We fought bitterly between each other for hundreds of years, unlike Greeks, Bulgarians and other Balkan nations.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: Serbian_Radical_Party on November 08, 2009, 07:05:50 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mehmetce on November 08, 2009, 06:50:05 AM ---Well OK,as far as I know there is no Serbs because I don't see them.
There are some Albanians,Bosnaks,Macedonians,Bulgarians,Greeks and all the others.
You may describe Muslim Serbs (bosnaks) as Serbs but I don't.If they are not chrsitian,they are not Serbs.
But no Serbs,This is maybe because of the war and violent acts which took place in 1990s and Turkish media showed the Serbs as evil.
--- End quote ---
So you are ignoring the existence of the Serbian-Turkish friendship organization [Enat], which is also active on Turkish soil? You are not informed enough. You can go to Istanbul and encouter these Muslim Serbs.
Serbs are originally Christians, but on Serbian occupied territories colonial powers forced local Serbs to accept the religion of the occupying forces.
Do you really think that during the 500-year long Turkish occupation, Turkish authorities were not able to convert Serbs into Muslims? Of course they were able to conduct that. Where are those Muslim Serbs today? Most of them assimilated into new nations. They call them selves Bosniaks today. But they still speak Serbian. This confirms the assimilation of some Serbs.
On the other side, Catholic Empires ruled 1000 years long with Serbian territories and converted many Serbs into Catholics, who were later convinced to assimilate into Croatians.
So you have besides Orthodox Serbs, also Muslim and Catholic Serbs.
Muslim and Catholic Serbs from the Balkans were assimilated into new nations [Croatian and Bosniak]. Muslim Serbs from Turkey, condemn that and their representatives state that that is an immoral action.
--- End quote ---
Serbian Radical Party I am not trying to ignore anything,just trying to say what I see.
I already live in Istanbul since my birth,I had friends of all balkanic nations in Istanbul including Jewish friends also.But I never saw any Serbs who says he is serb.
This is maybe becuase of the war in 1990s as I told you.So many turks don't like serbs so maybe they try to hide it.
So I am agree with voo-yo on this.
While I respect to peace efforts of Enat,btw I heard it for the first time form you,I would definitely say that this is immposible.I know how serbs are feeling so much angry about Turkish occupation of 500 years,I am not going to discuss wheter or not this is legitimate.But I wanna say this is the situation.You've mass murdered your own people only because they are muslims.You've took revenge of your 500 years Turkish occupation from your own muslims.These people you slayed were etnically,culturally,historically,and even the langually were same with you.By the way don't get it wrong,I am not blaming you or anybody.Becuase of all these incidents I don't think turkey and serbia would have a certain and parmanent peace.
If a war breaks out which Turkey involves,I would not give a [censored] and run away to Hawaii,because I like to live life more than my nationality or country.
These terms are not describing anything to me.
Serbian_Radical_Party:
--- Quote from: voo-yo on November 08, 2009, 07:42:42 AM ---
--- Quote from: Serbian_Radical_Party on November 08, 2009, 07:31:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: voo-yo on November 08, 2009, 07:27:59 AM ---Look, I've already told you. I'm willing to accept brothers, if they are also willing to change. I simply don't trust "Serbs" who bow before the Pope, or love Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
--- End quote ---
I agree but those Serbs do not identify them selves with Serbs.
This topic is about unorthodox Serbs who are aware of their Serbian heritage.
That's better than to assimilate in hostile nations, who are used like cannonmeat by US to destroy us.
--- End quote ---
I don't see your point here. If they want to be Serbs, they MUST reject Islam and Catholicism. The Pope cannot be their master anymore.
--- End quote ---
They can to return to their Serbian roots, if they get inspiration and an example. Orthodox Serbs must be the example. Currently the majority of Orthodox Serbs is weak and is not the example to anybody. Croatians [catholic Serbs] go to church every sonday and respect their religion. Majority of Orthodox is not interested in Orthodoxy. Why would Croats want to become something like that?
It is also the responsibility of Orthodox Serbs! Orthodox Serbs have more responsibility than assimilated Serbs. This because the Orthodox Serbs represent Orthodoxy. Problem is Orthodox Serbs are not being a good example currently.
voo-yo:
--- Quote from: Serbian_Radical_Party on November 08, 2009, 07:54:37 AM ---
--- Quote from: voo-yo on November 08, 2009, 07:42:42 AM ---
--- Quote from: Serbian_Radical_Party on November 08, 2009, 07:31:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: voo-yo on November 08, 2009, 07:27:59 AM ---Look, I've already told you. I'm willing to accept brothers, if they are also willing to change. I simply don't trust "Serbs" who bow before the Pope, or love Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
--- End quote ---
I agree but those Serbs do not identify them selves with Serbs.
This topic is about unorthodox Serbs who are aware of their Serbian heritage.
That's better than to assimilate in hostile nations, who are used like cannonmeat by US to destroy us.
--- End quote ---
I don't see your point here. If they want to be Serbs, they MUST reject Islam and Catholicism. The Pope cannot be their master anymore.
--- End quote ---
They can to return to their Serbian roots, if they get inspiration and an example. Orthodox Serbs must be the example. Currently the majority of Orthodox Serbs is weak and is not the example to anybody. Croatians [catholic Serbs] go to church every sonday and respect their religion. Majority of Orthodox is not interested in Orthodoxy. Why would Croats want to become something like that?
It is also the responsibility of Orthodox Serbs! Orthodox have more responsibility than assimilated Serbs. This because the Orthodox Serbs represent Orthodoxy. Problem is Orthodox are not being a good example currently.
--- End quote ---
I agree we are not good example. Serbs must be much, much better.
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