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Should Converts only date Converts?
mord:
--- Quote from: Fruit of thy loins on May 06, 2007, 04:23:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: mord on May 06, 2007, 10:39:32 AM ---Well i know a few converts and they don'nt celebrate Christmas,theconverts i know are orthodox.One girl i know goes to her father on Christmas he's rich she does'nt sleep or eat by his house she only gos to get a big present a few thousand dollars
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:) What a proud father he must be.
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I just think he wishes she would return to being a Catholic but shes so religious for 13 yrs i doubt it.
MarZutra:
Just caught the end of this discussion. Of course converts can be with any other Jew as they are just as Jewish as any of us as per Torah Law and must be respected. I don't know about this fellow that came on and left. Oh well.. I agree with both of you Yacov and Mord..
Israel7:
--- Quote from: Yochanan Zev on April 23, 2007, 02:16:37 PM ---There is no bigger oddball on the face of this planet than a black convert to the Jewish nation.
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Nobody can convert to the Jewish nation. Convertion is between religions and Judaism isn't a religion and the word for this process is not convertion but Giur. Giur is not convertion.
For example, someone who belongs to the Japanese nation: tomorrow he is saying that the salvation is in the following of jesus so he converted to Christianity. Next week he is saying that Muhamad is the messenger of G-d so he converted to Islam. But he is still Japanese, he didn't change his nationality identity. Judaism isn't a religion like invented dreams that nobody witnessed to them and which are in the oppostie to the words of G-d in the revelation in mt. Sinai, as Christianity and Islam. Judaism is a nation because Jews are descendants of Judah and Judaism is also historic events of an entire nation.
Those who do Giur aren't Jews because Jews are people whos mother are Jewish. Those who do Giur are gentiles who decided to follow the 613 Torah commandments and to live among the Jewish people, they are Ger, therefore they are called Ger Tzedek.
There are also mentioned in the 18 pray.
They can't be Jewish because their nationality is different than the Jewish nationality, just like I can't "convert" to the Japanese nation.
The children of Ger Tzedek will be considered as Jews.
MassuhDGoodName:
Re: "...There is no bigger oddball on the face of this planet than a black convert to the Jewish nation..."
You're just jealous that you didn't have a smash hit with "Candy Man", and sell out Caesar's Palace! (with Mae Britt waiting for you upstairs after the show in Room 422!).
Sounds like one truly blessed "oddball" to me!
newman:
--- Quote from: Israel7 on July 21, 2007, 12:44:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yochanan Zev on April 23, 2007, 02:16:37 PM ---There is no bigger oddball on the face of this planet than a black convert to the Jewish nation.
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Nobody can convert to the Jewish nation. Convertion is between religions and Judaism isn't a religion and the word for this process is not convertion but Giur. Giur is not convertion.
For example, someone who belongs to the Japanese nation: tomorrow he is saying that the salvation is in the following of jesus so he converted to Christianity. Next week he is saying that Muhamad is the messenger of G-d so he converted to Islam. But he is still Japanese, he didn't change his nationality identity. Judaism isn't a religion like invented dreams that nobody witnessed to them and which are in the oppostie to the words of G-d in the revelation in mt. Sinai, as Christianity and Islam. Judaism is a nation because Jews are descendants of Judah and Judaism is also historic events of an entire nation.
Those who do Giur aren't Jews because Jews are people whos mother are Jewish. Those who do Giur are gentiles who decided to follow the 613 Torah commandments and to live among the Jewish people, they are Ger, therefore they are called Ger Tzedek.
There are also mentioned in the 18 pray.
They can't be Jewish because their nationality is different than the Jewish nationality, just like I can't "convert" to the Japanese nation.
The children of Ger Tzedek will be considered as Jews.
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I'd seek a Rabbinical opinion there Israel7. The whole purpose of a Kosher conversion is to make people part of the Jewish Nation. Are you saying Ruth - mother of David wasn't Jewish? Part of a Kosher conversion involves moving to a Jewish community so one absorbs the culture and not just the religious values.
Non-Jews who choose to live amongst the Jews as righteous gentiles are called Ger Toshav.
Again, I could be wrong but I'd get the opinion of a Rabbi. I've always read that a Kosher conversion actually gives the convert a Jewish soul and makes them "as Jewish as Moshe".
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