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Should Converts only date Converts?
Israel7:
--- Quote from: newman ---I'd seek a Rabbinical opinion there Israel7. The whole purpose of a Kosher conversion is to make people part of the Jewish Nation. Are you saying Ruth - mother of David wasn't Jewish?
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Of course she wasn't Jewish because her mother isn't Jewish and I think I talked about it before. Ruth was a Ger Tzedek.
--- Quote from: newman ---Part of a Kosher conversion involves moving to a Jewish community so one absorbs the culture and not just the religious values.
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You are using the word convertion, and again I'm telling you that it's not convertion. Giur is not convertion.
--- Quote from: newman ---Non-Jews who choose to live amongst the Jews as righteous gentiles are called Ger Toshav.
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So? You aren't telling me anything new. I've already knew that Ger Toshav are gentiles who live in the land of Israel and follow the 7 laws of Noach. They may live near the Jews but they don't have any connection to the 613 Torah commandments that Jews follow. Ger Tzedek is a Ger who follows the 613 Torah commandments. He can live in Israel or outside Israel. What was the purpose in telling me something I've already knew?
--- Quote from: newman ---Again, I could be wrong but I'd get the opinion of a Rabbi. I've always read that a Kosher conversion actually gives the convert a Jewish soul and makes them "as Jewish as Moshe".
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Yes you are wrong cause every rabbi (who knows anything about Judaism) will tell you that those who do Giur (what you call "convert to Judaism") are called Ger Tzedek and not Jews (althoug people who don't have knowledge, like me couple of years ago, because I also called them Jews).
I've been told that a cow isn't a horse because the name of the cow is cow and not a horse and same is the opposite. If a cow and a horse would have been the same then they would had the same name.
Same goes for Jews and for Ger Tzedek.
In the 13 part of the 18 pray this is a pray to G-d to have mercy on the house of Israel and and on the Ger Tzedek. Here's another example why they are different. If you put Tfilin each morning you should have known that.
newman:
If Ruth was not Jewish, then King David wasn't either.
Israel7:
--- Quote from: newman on July 21, 2007, 07:19:40 PM ---If Ruth was not Jewish, then King David wasn't either.
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Again you are wrong. She wasn't Jewish and he was.
For the G-d knows which time I'm telling you that she wasn't Jewish because her mother wasn't Jewish, she was a Ger Tzedek. I've already told you that children of Ger Tzedek and their Jewish partners are considered to be Jewish.
You are repeating your misleading words in couple of posts although you got the answers from someone who knows. What do you want to achieve by this silly tactics of yours?
And I find it very funny that non Jews are trying to give lessons of who is a Jew to those who knows a little bit more than them in these kind of issues.
I will not continue this dailogue because I've already made the points couple of times in this thread.
newman:
--- Quote from: Israel7 on July 21, 2007, 08:50:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: newman on July 21, 2007, 07:19:40 PM ---If Ruth was not Jewish, then King David wasn't either.
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For the G-d knows which time I'm telling you that she wasn't Jewish because her mother wasn't Jewish. I've already told you that children of Ger Tzedek are considered to be Jewish.
I will not continue this dailogue because I made the points couple of times
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Sorry, must have missed it when you sid that.
Not Jewish....Noachide Chassid. I can only go off Rabinnical opinion, which is hard because they differ a lot of the time. Have a look at this Wkipedia article. If it's wrong it should be corrected.
Conversion to Judaism (Hebrew גיור, giur, "conversion") is the religious conversion of a previously non-Jewish person to the Jewish religion and to the Jewish people. The procedure for conversion depends on the sponsoring denomination, and hinges on meeting the ritual and substantive requirements for such conversion. A convert to Judaism is referred to as a ger tzedek (Hebrew: "righteous proselyte" or "proselyte [of] righteousness") or simply ger ("stranger" or "proselyte"). In Russian the terms Gery and Gerami are used for Subbotniks who have adopted all aspects of Judaism. One of the most famous converts to Judaism was Ruth from whom the Davidic line decended. During the reign of King Solomon converts were not accepted. This will also be the case during the Messianic Era.
mord:
I don'nt know if in Ruth's times you had to convert i think you just became a Jew by following the law
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