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Sefardic Panther:
Payoth are most common with the Hasidim (particularly the Breslevers and Satmar) and the Temani. The fact that the Temani have payoth is evidence that this is a hairstyle that goes back to the time of the first Beith HaMiqdash. Remember the Temani have lived in isolation in the Arabian peninsula since those times.
Here is a recent picture of the guests at a Jewish wedding in Yemen -
The 2 fellows without payoth are muslims.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on December 01, 2009, 01:27:58 PM ---The Torah says that all Jewish men must grow a beard and payoth. And of course all the greatest Rabbis have beards and payoth.
I don’t like the modern practice of some religious Jewish men using the electric shaver as a loophole for shaving.
The only people who do not have beards are boys and women.
In America do men with beards always get strip searched at airports? Is having a beard problematic for that reason?
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Payoth? It seems that halachically any small sideburns suffice for that. Nowhere does it say you have to grow them like chassidim do, although those are good too.
As to beards and payoth, you need to realize what kind of site you are on, and it would be much more important to get some people here to experience a wonderful Shabbath and start to celebrate Shabbath and to eat kosher, and put on tefillin. Something like a beard and payoth is external and is something that one cannot be expected to do or to even consider if they don't have foundations in Judaism first. There are many Jews on this site who don't keep basic misswoth. The "joy" of sporting a beard is not going to prompt them to love of Hashem, passion for Torah and keeping other misswoth. The joy of a Shabbath experience can do that. Being a Jew is not limited to dressing or appearing a certain way.
You don't like that modern orthodox and some haredim shave their beards with electric razors. Kol HaKavod. This seems like a silly thread to make.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on December 03, 2009, 11:41:58 AM ---Payoth are most common with the Hasidim (particularly the Breslevers and Satmar) and the Temani. The fact that the Temani have payoth is evidence that this is a hairstyle that goes back to the time of the first Beith HaMiqdash.
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Not so fast. There is documented evidence that gentile kings of Yemen forced Jews to wear sidelocks to outwardly distinguish them from Muslims and so everyone will know they are Jewish by looking at them. That is why they called them "Simanim" (signs). It is not necessarily something they got from the Torah.
The chassidish payoth were also not a custom in Europe, rather an innovation of the chassidim. Not that I'm against long payoth, but let's keep to the facts.
Sefardic Panther:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 03, 2009, 01:00:47 PM ---The "joy" of sporting a beard is not going to prompt them to love of Hashem, passion for Torah and keeping other misswoth.
This seems like a silly thread to make.
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My point is with a beard and payoth we can distance ourselves from goy culture and identify with Gedolim like the Ben Ish Hai and the Lubavitcher Rebbe. Are there any clean shaven Gedolim we can identify with?
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 03, 2009, 01:04:40 PM ---There is documented evidence that gentile kings of Yemen forced Jews to wear sidelocks to outwardly distinguish them from Muslims and so everyone will know they are Jewish by looking at them. That is why they called them "Simanim" (signs). It is not necessarily something they got from the Torah.
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Are you sure about that?
The Torah says Samson had 7 locks of hair. I bet those locks were more like payoth than the dread locks sported by rasta masters.
muman613:
As you may know, I associate with Breslov Chassidim because it is where my family came from...
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