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Don’t Be Weird Grow A Beard!!!
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
ROTFLMAO at the title. :laugh:
Sefardic Panther:
I'v been doing some research on Samson and Toranic hairstyles so that isn't my final word on the subject.
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 03, 2009, 01:04:40 PM ---There is documented evidence that gentile kings of Yemen forced Jews to wear sidelocks to outwardly distinguish them from Muslims and so everyone will know they are Jewish by looking at them. That is why they called them "Simanim" (signs). It is not necessarily something they got from the Torah.
The chassidish payoth were also not a custom in Europe, rather an innovation of the chassidim. Not that I'm against long payoth, but let's keep to the facts.
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Do you think its a coincidence that the Temani always had payoth and then the Hasidim on the opposite side of the world who never seen a Temani had the exact same style of payoth?
pinoyjew:
i ave a beard now and i am keeping it for about 2 years now..thanks hashem
in the philippines its very diffucult to ave a beard but thank hashem again for helping me fulfill this great mitzvah.. soon a payoth
Sefardic Panther:
I think Yosef HaTsadiq and Eliyahu HaNavi had payoth because its said that they curled their hair. Payoth must be curled so that they don’t mix with the beard hair. The head hair is Gevurah and the beard hair is Hesed so the 2 types of hair must never mix.
Can anyone confirm if its true that Esaw grew payoth to fool his father into thinking he was pious?
I think Bereishith 27:3 implies that Esaw had payoth. When Yitshaq sent Esaw out hunting he told him to take his bow and his teliekha. The word “teli” implies curled or dangling. A reference to Esaw’s payoth?
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on December 20, 2009, 10:42:59 AM ---I think Yosef HaTsadiq and Eliyahu HaNavi had payoth because its said that they curled their hair.
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People also curl their regular hair because it is stylish. And likely it was stylish for men back then too.
--- Quote ---Payoth must be curled
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Not necessarily. Only according to certain people's definition of payoth, which they invented. Any type of sideburn that is long enough to grasp with the fingertips (go with a #2 or higher, a #1 or a buzz cut probably is too short) is sufficient to be called "payoth" or in reality, to fit with the negative commandment that a person should not shave the corners of his head. That is what the Torah speaks about. A prohibition to shave the corners of the head (in the area of the so-called "payoth" but it is not termed that way). If you have thin trimmed sideburns (and they don't have to go below the ear, either), you have successfully avoided this transgression. What you are speaking about is a custom that developed later in Jewish history and is not necessary for a Jew to keep in order to be a practicing and kosher Jew.
--- Quote --- so that they don’t mix with the beard hair. The head hair is Gevurah and the beard hair is Hesed so the 2 types of hair must never mix.
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Interesting Kaballah, but the Vilna Gaon was also a kabbalist and had his own take on these matters, and he never said a person must have chassidic style curly-q's in order to avoid the transgression against shaving the corners of the head. And non-Chassidic Orthodox did not have the "payoth" you describe (those of the chassidim). Not that there's anything wrong with having them, but don't try to claim that this goes back to Sinai and that all Jews "MUST" keep them. Because it doesn't and they don't. There are far more important things and things that Jews really DO need to keep that they are not keeping. So why all this fuss over something not necessary? Anyway, it reflects poorly to suggest such things without basis in fact and claim that it's Torah-true.
--- Quote ---I think Bereishith 27:3 implies that Esaw had payoth.
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Sounds like you just made that up.
--- Quote --- When Yitshaq sent Esaw out hunting he told him to take his bow and his teliekha. The word “teli” implies curled or dangling. A reference to Esaw’s payoth?
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What?!
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