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Earth at the Center of the Universe
jdl4ever:
While a Sattelite can be subjective since it is rotating around the earth just like we are on earth like you said, a space craft is isolated in space and not in our orbit so it provides an objective vantage point. Also, mathematically the 400 year old newton law of gravitational motion was proven to be correct many times so it is not relevent how things look like to us, the objective proof that the planets go around the sun was proven long ago mathematically with Newton's theory. Similarly, you are ignoring the fact that the Rebbe's basic theory was incorrect since the Sun is stationary, it only rotates but does not move at all relative to the Earth.
As for Radioactive decay, this is a scientific fact that is very easy to prove and has been proven countless number of times; this is how we have power plants today.
As for the Rebbe, 99% of the time advanced degrees and training correspond to being an expert in an area. Unless you can prove that the Rebbe was an expert in Physics, then he was not. So far all evidence points to the fact that he ignores the very foundations of newtonian physics and says things about relativity that is completely wrong. Plus, even worse is he offers no evidence. All real scientists make claims backed up by evidence, especially if you are going against all of the scientists in the western world and thousands of volumes of mathematical and scientific evidence proving their point! Rumors about the Rebbe arguing well with professors is merely stories that may or may not have happened and arguing with teachers does not correlate with any intelligence. Many Yeshiva kids think they are G-d's gift to the world and like to argue dumb arguments with science professors in College who know 1000 times more than them and they think they are all that. This does not demonstrate intelligence. Any real scientist who wants to refute something widely accepted offers scientific and mathematical data to prove their point; they do not simply say "I think this way so it is correct even if I go against thousands of volumes of evidence".
College science professors are not dumb. I did research in college for 1.5 years in Chemistry and I am telling you that the professor I worked under was the most brilliant person that you ever met and he wrote a dozen papers in journals. Even the lowly graduate student working under this guy was 10 times more brilliant than myself. The guy knew advanced mathematics very well (I took 1 yr of calculus and the math this guy was doing was way above my head), he was an super expert in his chemistry field work, knew how to program computer languages, knew how to build complex circuits from nothing at all and had a very creative mind. This was just the Graduate student! The professor was 10 times smarter and more experienced than this guy! So don't have such a lowly opinion of scientists, they are really intelligent beyond your imagination. This is why training and experience corresponds with intellect. The Rebbe didn't have any advanced degree in Physics or any training or experience in that area so I doubt he was even on the level of even a graduate student.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on June 03, 2007, 10:41:24 PM --- Similarly, you are ignoring the fact that the Rebbe's basic theory was incorrect since the Sun is stationary, it only rotates but does not move at all relative to the Earth.
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This is what we call a conclusory argument. It assumes the fact you are trying to prove.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on June 03, 2007, 10:41:24 PM ---a space craft is isolated in space and not in our orbit so it provides an objective vantage point.
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It may not be in OUR orbit, but it could be in another orbit. When you say it's a an objective vantage point, you are saying that relative to our measurements here on earth. I think you're still running into the same relativity problems.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on June 03, 2007, 10:41:24 PM ---
As for Radioactive decay, this is a scientific fact that is very easy to prove and has been proven countless number of times; this is how we have power plants today.
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Of course there is radioactive decay. But their theories often assume that these elements always reacted the same way with eachother even billions of years ago which is taking a big leap of faith. But the scientists don't want you to know that. They make it seem full-proof.
jdl4ever:
--- Quote from: lubab on June 03, 2007, 11:17:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on June 03, 2007, 10:41:24 PM ---a space craft is isolated in space and not in our orbit so it provides an objective vantage point.
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It may not be in OUR orbit, but it could be in another orbit. When you say it's a an objective vantage point, you are saying that relative to our measurements here on earth. I think you're still running into the same relativity problems.
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???? You don't make any sense. If an astronot is standing in a space craft outside of our orbit and outside the orbit of any planet, he is at an objective vantage point and he is observing things objectively.
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