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Earth at the Center of the Universe
jdl4ever:
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--- Quote from: jdl4ever on June 03, 2007, 10:41:24 PM --- Similarly, you are ignoring the fact that the Rebbe's basic theory was incorrect since the Sun is stationary, it only rotates but does not move at all relative to the Earth.
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This is what we call a conclusory argument. It assumes the fact you are trying to prove.
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No, the Rebbe is using a conclusory argument. I am just copying the Rebbe. The Rebbe claimed out of the blue that both the earth and the sun are both moving around each other. REALLY? Prove it. According to all the scientific data, the sun is stationary and is not moving around the earth and the earth is the only thing that is moving. So it is up to the Rebbe to prove his statement, not me.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on June 03, 2007, 10:41:24 PM ---While a Sattelite can be subjective since it is rotating around the earth just like we are on earth like you said, a space craft is isolated in space and not in our orbit so it provides an objective vantage point. Also, mathematically the 400 year old newton law of gravitational motion was proven to be correct many times so it is not relevent how things look like to us, the objective proof that the planets go around the sun was proven long ago mathematically with Newton's theory. Similarly, you are ignoring the fact that the Rebbe's basic theory was incorrect since the Sun is stationary, it only rotates but does not move at all relative to the Earth.
As for Radioactive decay, this is a scientific fact that is very easy to prove and has been proven countless number of times; this is how we have power plants today.
The Rebbe didn't have any advanced degree in Physics or any training or experience in that area so I doubt he was even on the level of even a graduate student.
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This is a very foolish statement. Nobody said the professors are dumb. I'm simply saying that one can have the knowledge of a professor and even more knowledge, without having gone through the formal steps to obtain a degree. There was a time when these degrees didn't even exist.
So while it's a good indicator that if someone has a degree, they have the expertise. But you cannot assueme from that just because someone does not have the degree they don't have the knowledge. This is a big logical mistake.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on June 03, 2007, 11:22:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on June 03, 2007, 11:14:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on June 03, 2007, 10:41:24 PM --- Similarly, you are ignoring the fact that the Rebbe's basic theory was incorrect since the Sun is stationary, it only rotates but does not move at all relative to the Earth.
--- End quote ---
This is what we call a conclusory argument. It assumes the fact you are trying to prove.
--- End quote ---
No, the Rebbe is using a conclusory argument. I am just copying the Rebbe. The Rebbe claimed out of the blue that both the earth and the sun are both moving around each other. REALLY? Prove it. According to all the scientific data, the sun is stationary and is not moving around the earth and the earth is the only thing that is moving. So it is up to the Rebbe to prove his statement, not me.
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No. Again you are not reading carefully. Look again. The Rebbe did not say they are both moving around eachother. He said that was one of 3 possiblities and he did not hold of that possiblity. He held the sun goes around the earth.
jdl4ever:
--- Quote from: lubab on June 03, 2007, 11:24:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on June 03, 2007, 11:22:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on June 03, 2007, 11:14:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on June 03, 2007, 10:41:24 PM --- Similarly, you are ignoring the fact that the Rebbe's basic theory was incorrect since the Sun is stationary, it only rotates but does not move at all relative to the Earth.
--- End quote ---
This is what we call a conclusory argument. It assumes the fact you are trying to prove.
--- End quote ---
No, the Rebbe is using a conclusory argument. I am just copying the Rebbe. The Rebbe claimed out of the blue that both the earth and the sun are both moving around each other. REALLY? Prove it. According to all the scientific data, the sun is stationary and is not moving around the earth and the earth is the only thing that is moving. So it is up to the Rebbe to prove his statement, not me.
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No. Again you are not reading carefully. Look again. The Rebbe did not say they are both moving around eachother. He said that was one of 3 possiblities and he did not hold of that possiblity. He held the sun goes around the earth.
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Read the Rebbe's statement more carefully. The 3 possibilities based on relativity only exist if the two objects are both going around each other. If only one was moving then there would be no relativity. The Rebbe knew this so he based his argument by claiming that both the earth and the sun were revolving around each other. This goes against all scientific data and the Rebbe offered no evidence to disprove the preponderance of evidence that only one moves around the other.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on June 03, 2007, 10:41:24 PM ---Unless you can prove that the Rebbe was an expert in Physics, then he was not.
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Oh really? And if I can't prove you're Jewish that means you're not?
As we say in law, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".
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