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Earth at the Center of the Universe
Lubab:
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"In a hagiographic biography, Laufer, citing a rabbi who heard from Soloveichik himself and a Kfar Chabad rabbi who heard it from associates of Soloveichik, says that "even though Rabbi Schneerson did not spend much time at his studies, his marks were always higher than Soloveichik's". Laufer also noted "the Rebbe was known to have received several advanced degrees in Berlin, and then later in Paris"
jdl4ever:
Lubov, there is only one mathematical solution to this issue so this would be described as a 4x=89 equation that only has one solution. It is very easy to obtain if the earth rotates around the sun or the sun goes around the earth. All you need is a telescope and some charting system. Since all planets rotate around something in a constant ellipse pattern, the location of the planets in the sky through time can be charted as their position and the variation of their size relative to time correlates with their distance. If you plot the data of our solar system over a few years on extrapolate the data, you will be able to prove whether the sun rotates around the earth or the earth rotates around the sun since each theory predicts different patterns. This has been done a long time ago and it proved that the Earth must rotate around the Sun since the data only fit mathematically into this theory. Also, Kepler's law of motion which he derived from Newton became the basis of Physics and this was also proven astronomically and mathematically. Kepler's laws state that everything must rotate around the sun since it has the biggest gravitational field and he made some simple equations describing this motion and all of them were proven correct.
mord:
--- Quote from: mord on June 03, 2007, 11:11:44 AM ---Gerald Schroder world renowned proffesor turns famous atheist into beleiver of G=D
http://www.geraldschroeder.com/new.html
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--- Quote ---The Rebbe was not one of the foremost physicists of his time. Who are you trying to fool
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But this guy is
http://www.geraldschroeder.com/new.html
Lubab:
Everything you are saying about the calculations is irrelvevant because they all MUST ASSUME A PARTICULAR FOCUL POINT. You could choose another focul point and it would work out For instance, take a model of the planets going around the sun rotating like they show you in school. Then pick the model up by the earth. What would happen? You're calculations would still work out, but now the earth the focul point. That' all we're saying here.
According to modern science you cannot prove an objective center. Relatavism applies.
Let's give a smaller example so this become more clear:
Under the general thoery of relativity, if I swing a bucket over my head, there is no way to scientifically prove that the bucket is moving and I am not. Maybe the bucket is the center of the universe and everything else is moving. You can make mathematical calculations either way and they will work out. Don't you agree JDL4ever? Can you prove which one is moving? You might think it weird that the bucket would be the center of the universe, but you're just not used to looking at the world in that way. That doesn't make it any less scientifically plausible.
So now tell me, if you can't even prove which one is moving, the bucket, or me, then how the heck are you gonna prove which one of the sun and earth are moving. Please explain to me how you could do this logically, because I'm at a loss.
When it comes to this issue, the era of being able to say sceince proves dogmatically that one way or the other is right when is long over and belongs in the sceince of the dark ages.
Incidentally, relativism is also at play in politics. For instance, there is no way to really prove that the Muslims are the terrorists and we are the freedom fighters. Maybe the Muslims are the freedom fighters and we are the terrorists. It depends which focul point you choose to adopt. Of course, the Torah, deals in absolute truths and can say definitively which is correct. Science however, cannot.
In this case, sceince leaves us with two (really 3) choices. The Torah comes as a matter of absolute truth says the sun goes around the earth. There are some apolegists on this issue who try to sugar-coat it, and avoid the issue. But being a Kahanist supporter I take the hard line when it comes to the Torah. And yes, this does not contradict science in any way as explained above under the theory of relativity.
Lubab:
Rest assured JDL4ever, that greater scientists then yourself have discussed this issue with the Rebbe and have been satisfied with the answers. One of them is Professor Herman Branover (google him) , who is a Lubavitcher Chassid and scientist. Perhaps we could set up a meeting between you and him and he could explain this better than I.
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