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Bishop Irinej is new Serbian patriarch
Novakovic:
It is not good to call bishops and the Patriarch dogs.
The Patriarch is a holy position. You can not call a person who is the patriach of your church a dog. That is not good my friends. We all know what is forbidden and what is not forbidden according to Orthodoxy. But the patriarch and other high ranking positions, those people are currently under serious attack. They are under great pressure. They have an other responsiblity, which we regular people do not have. Who knows if they are under pressure or what.
It is better to have a Patriarch than no Patriarch. As long as we confess one religion and have one church it is ok.. But the problem is that some forces which entered in the church want to create a schism within the church. That is the danger. I am against those forces. As long as we do not have a schism, it means that things can get worse.
Sox7:
--- Quote from: Novakovic on November 11, 2010, 09:27:56 AM ---It is not good to call bishops and the Patriarch dogs.
The Patriarch is a holy position. You can not call a person who is the patriach of your church a dog. That is not good my friends. We all know what is forbidden and what is not forbidden according to Orthodoxy. But the patriarch and other high ranking positions, those people are currently under serious attack. They are under great pressure. They have an other responsiblity, which we regular people do not have. Who knows if they are under pressure or what.
It is better to have a Patriarch than no Patriarch. As long as we confess one religion and have one church it is ok.. But the problem is that some forces which entered in the church want to create a schism within the church. That is the danger. I am against those forces. As long as we do not have a schism, it means that things can get worse.
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Excuse me, but what kind of Serbian Patriarch can make peace overtures with a Roman church that recently blessed Cardinal Stepinac, after everything he did to Serbs and Jews? That man's diaries condemn him as a hater of Orthodoxy, Protestantism, and Judaism. His priests took part in the massacres. If Pope John Paul II beatified Stepinac more than 50 years after WWII, which means the Catholic church is NOT sorry for anything, then how can the Serbian church or it's representatives have peace with that kind of an organization?
This is a "peace" constructed on deliberate oblivion of the victims of genocide. Not Nazi genocide, but Vatican-blessed and Vatican-engineered genocide.
The genocide of 1941-1945 is the best kept secret of the Vatican. That's why nobody knows about the genocide of the Serbs, it is the only "secret genocide" because it utterly incriminates the Vatican and the Pope. The Vatican works night and day to keep it forgotten.
The Inquisition and the Crusades happened centuries ago. The pedophilia against children, as horrible and widespread as it is, can be passed off as "individual actions" that the Popes didn't know about (yeah right, I bet Ratzinger is a gay pedophile too).
The genocide against the Orthodox Serbs took place less than 100 years ago and is VERY well documented with photographs and videos that were not available to show us what those beasts did in Mainz, Jerusalem, Constantinople, Spain, Russia, or any of the other places they were sacking, pillaging, torching, exterminating, etc. That is why the Vatican is dead set on not only covering this up but also demonizing the Serbs into becoming monsters.
Just google Vukovar or Srebrenica (allegedly 1,000 and 8,000 dead, respectively), places where the Serbs did war crimes or supposedly did war crimes (it's very controversial and one-sided), and then google Jadovno (40,000) and Jasenovac (600,000+). How many hits will you get for each of those terms? I just did it:
Vukovar: 5,550,000 results
Srebrenica: 2,920,000 results
Jadovno: 106,000 results
Jasenovac: 452,000 results
That means that there is between ~10-50x fewer articles of information on killing sites in which ~100x more completely innocent people were killed, and we are not talking about war zone atrocities and reprisals that involve combatants and POWs who may have committed atrocities themselves (Vukovar/Srebrenica) but rather about specifically designed extermination facilities for innocent civilians (Jadovno/Jasenovac).
For comparison, this is not about the "fog of ancient history" because if you google Auschwitz or Dachau you get this:
Auschwitz: 9,350,000 results
Dachau: 6,400,000 results
We are talking about an organized campaign to cover up the truth. If the Serbian Orthodox church hierarchy, including Patriarch Irinej, assists those Vatican beasts with the coverup of the extermination of their own people (and Jews and Roma in the same places), then they truly are Pope's dogs and deserve no respect whatsoever.
Novakovic:
--- Quote from: Sox7 on November 11, 2010, 11:04:15 AM ---Excuse me, but what kind of Serbian Patriarch can make peace overtures with a Roman church that recently blessed Cardinal Stepinac, after everything he did to Serbs and Jews?
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Shalom friend. Of course we Serbs know very good what the Vatican did towards the Serbs. I know everything about Stepinac and the role of the Vatican in the genocide of the Serbs.
I personally do not agree with all the statements made by the current Patriarch. But we must not forgot the fact that Serbia is currently governed by a puppet regime, which is a consequence of the NATO aggression from 1999. In these circumstances people are easy to manipulate. We must bare in mind that the Patriarch is also a human and that he is under GREAT pressure. He has a very responsible position, which means that he is under extreme pressure.
We are allowed to disagree with some statement made by the Patriarch, which are politically oriented, but we must also respect his holy position. You can not call the patriarch a dog or something like that. That is not moral behavior.
So please understand my statements. I know very good that the Serbs must avoid the Vatican as much as possible, but I am just saying that insulting the patriarch is not a moral thing. I think that you will agree with me that we must respect his position. He as a person, that is an other story. Right now I am saying that we must respect his position.
As long as the Serbs have one Church it is not the end. As soon as a schism takes place, then we are in great danger.
Serbian Canadian:
Sox7 it seems you are very well informed about Serbian history and issues. Are you Serbian?
Kerber:
--- Quote from: Novakovic on November 11, 2010, 12:55:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sox7 on November 11, 2010, 11:04:15 AM ---Excuse me, but what kind of Serbian Patriarch can make peace overtures with a Roman church that recently blessed Cardinal Stepinac, after everything he did to Serbs and Jews?
--- End quote ---
Shalom friend. Of course we Serbs know very good what the Vatican did towards the Serbs. I know everything about Stepinac and the role of the Vatican in the genocide of the Serbs.
I personally do not agree with all the statements made by the current Patriarch. But we must not forgot the fact that Serbia is currently governed by a puppet regime, which is a consequence of the NATO aggression from 1999. In these circumstances people are easy to manipulate. We must bare in mind that the Patriarch is also a human and that he is under GREAT pressure. He has a very responsible position, which means that he is under extreme pressure.
We are allowed to disagree with some statement made by the Patriarch, which are politically oriented, but we must also respect his holy position. You can not call the patriarch a dog or something like that. That is not moral behavior.
So please understand my statements. I know very good that the Serbs must avoid the Vatican as much as possible, but I am just saying that insulting the patriarch is not a moral thing. I think that you will agree with me that we must respect his position. He as a person, that is an other story. Right now I am saying that we must respect his position.
As long as the Serbs have one Church it is not the end. As soon as a schism takes place, then we are in great danger.
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The Church is already divided.Just not formally.Formal division , in my opinion, will occur very soon.
Expelled bishop Artemije announced that he is going to make some kind of his own community and church if the Sinod continue to ban him from Diocese of Raska and Prizren.
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