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Bishop Irinej is new Serbian patriarch
Sox7:
--- Quote from: Novakovic on November 11, 2010, 11:41:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sox7 on November 11, 2010, 07:47:21 PM ---Good. At least some people will have a way of distancing themselves from Rome. My heart cries out to the Serbian people to start reading the Bible again and reading Christ's words in particular. Having a deep personal relationship with Him is far more important than any patriarch or pope or icon or liturgy.
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;D Yes according to you and some other ''Serbs'' from this forum, Serbs should become protestants. LoL...
Right now under these hard circumstances some people want to take advantage of the situation to convert Serbs into protestants?
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All I said was that Serbs should know what their faith is about. They resisted Islamic and Catholic attempts to convert them, many times were killed because they refused, and I think they should know what Christianity is all about.
Celebrating a few holidays and slavas is not Christianity. Read what Christ said in the New Testament and you will begin to better understand what Christianity is all about.
Sox7:
--- Quote from: crnitrn on November 12, 2010, 12:57:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: Novakovic on November 11, 2010, 11:41:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sox7 on November 11, 2010, 07:47:21 PM ---Good. At least some people will have a way of distancing themselves from Rome. My heart cries out to the Serbian people to start reading the Bible again and reading Christ's words in particular. Having a deep personal relationship with Him is far more important than any patriarch or pope or icon or liturgy.
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;D Yes according to you and some other ''Serbs'' from this forum, Serbs should become protestants. LoL...
Right now under these hard circumstances some people want to take advantage of the situation to convert Serbs into protestants?
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Nemoj da mislis ako se cita biblija i da se pronalzi po neka sitnica koja je losa u pravoslavlju da to znaci da postaje protestant! Svi protestanti su skoro svi pod papinom sapom tako da su oni otisli u nepovrat!
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I grew up in a Protestant church and I am not "under the Pope's hand," I completely and utterly reject anything to do with the Catholic church.
Sox7:
--- Quote from: Novakovic on November 12, 2010, 01:00:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: crnitrn on November 12, 2010, 12:57:22 AM ---Nemoj da mislis ako se cita biblija i da se pronalzi po neka sitnica koja je losa u pravoslavlju da to znaci da postaje protestant! Svi protestanti su skoro svi pod papinom sapom tako da su oni otisli u nepovrat!
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Ma da.. Sve je jasno.. Inace ne mozes ti tu davati lekcije o svetom pismu i moralu a usporediti patriarha sa zivotinjom.. Ne moze to tako.
Odluci se dali ces biti Srbin pravoslavac ili protestanta..
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Why shouldn't a Serb attend a Protestant church. Ethnicity and religion are not the same. If you consider Muslims in Bosnia to be originally Serbs who converted to Islam, of which only a few consider themselves Serbs anymore (i.e. Selimovic and Kusturica), why do you have a problem with Protestant Serbs?
I don't consider the SOC patriarch to be an animal. I think it is wrong for him to make any relationship with the Vatican/Ratzinger, and I do not respect his position so much that I am prevented from criticizing his behavior.
Novakovic:
--- Quote from: Sox7 on November 13, 2010, 08:35:28 PM ---All I said was that Serbs should know what their faith is about.
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You also said something about the holy liturgy, icons which is not appropriate.
--- Quote from: Sox7 on November 13, 2010, 08:35:28 PM ---All I said was that Serbs should know what their faith is about. They resisted Islamic and Catholic attempts to convert them, many times were killed because they refused, and I think they should know what Christianity is all about. Celebrating a few holidays and slavas is not Christianity. Read what Christ said in the New Testament and you will begin to better understand what Christianity is all about.
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Look you do not have to teach me about Christianity in that way. Suggesting to me that icons, the holy liturgy and the patriarch are not that important, please we do not need that kind teachings. Right now the Serbian Orthodox Church is under attack. The Church is facing problems. So, many people are confused and easy to manipulate. If you want to help the Serbs, you should not preach against icon, holy liturgy and the patriarch. I agree that the Serbs in general do not go to the church. I also do not go often to the church. I admit. That is a consequence of the communist system which ruled over Serbia. The problem can be restored, if the Serbs return to the ways of their ancestors. The Serbian ancestors were Orthodox Christians, who belonged to the Serbian Orthodox Church, and not protestants.
I appreciate your concern and maybe you have good intentions. But if you want to help the Serbs, you should say to them that they must return to the way of their ancestors. Suggesting to them that icons, the holy liturgy and the patriarch are not that important, is not doing them any good.
--- Quote from: Sox7 on November 13, 2010, 08:35:28 PM ---Read what Christ said in the New Testament and you will begin to better understand what Christianity is all about.
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If you would read the new testament, you would know that you can not have a relationship with Christ without the Church. Christ says in the new Testament that they who do not drink my blood and eat my flesh will not enter my Father's kingdom. If you do not fast and do not confess, you will can not have a personal relationship with Christ. Christ left instructions how to serve G-d.
The protestants do not have any of that, so you can not tell me that I can maintain a personal relationship with G-d (Christ) outside His Church. That is according to our Orthodox Christian perspective heresy, sectarian teaching. Serbs should read more the bible, but they should use the interpretation of the Orthodox Church and the Church fathers, not interpretation which are used outside the Church.
Novakovic:
--- Quote from: Sox7 on November 13, 2010, 08:39:43 PM ---I don't consider the SOC patriarch to be an animal.
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That was not addressed to you.
--- Quote from: Sox7 on November 13, 2010, 08:39:43 PM ---Why shouldn't a Serb attend a Protestant church.
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Ask a Jew why he should not go to a protestant church?
Why should not the Serbs go to a protestant church? The same reason why Serbs should not attend a Roman Catholic church, mosque or something else. The protestants are according to the Orthodox point of view in heresy. They separated them selves from the Catholics and in stead of going back to the original Christian Church, they entered in an other level of heresy.
They switched from one heresy to an other form of heresy.
--- Quote from: Sox7 on November 13, 2010, 08:39:43 PM ---If you consider Muslims in Bosnia to be originally Serbs who converted to Islam, of which only a few consider themselves Serbs anymore (i.e. Selimovic and Kusturica), why do you have a problem with Protestant Serbs?
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I did not say that Serbs who convert to protestantism are not genetically Serbs.
You can change your religion and nation, but not your past. If I am aware of the fact that some Serbs were converted during the occupation by Roman Catholic Empires (Republic Venice, Hungary and Austria) and the Islamic Turkish Empire, it does not mean that I think that those convertions were good. No. It is not good to accept the religion of the occupying forces. The protestant countries (America, UK, etc) participated into the biological extermination of the Serbs, by giving green light [support] to fascist and separatist forces, which conducted crimes of genocide against the Serbian people. They did not give an example of how to behave as Christians.
--- Quote from: Sox7 on November 13, 2010, 08:39:43 PM ---I don't consider the SOC patriarch to be an animal. I think it is wrong for him to make any relationship with the Vatican/Ratzinger, and I do not respect his position so much that I am prevented from criticizing his behavior.
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I already said that we must separate the Patriarch as a person and his position. The patriarch as a person is something else. I agree that he also makes mistakes, but some people want to misuse the current hard circumstances to attack the Church and Orthodoxy as a whole.
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