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rhayat1:

--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on February 07, 2010, 05:32:38 PM ---Rhayat:

I believe the rabbi you refer to is Rabbi Meir ben Shimon of Narbonne?   Is that the Me'ili?
I have read that Rabbi Meir ben Shimon of Narbonne included in his grand work "Milchemet Mitzvah" an epistle within, with which he specifically attacked the "Sefer Bahir" and which disputed its attribution to tannaic authorship as well as its "heresy" it contained within.    Maybe this is the letter you have posted.

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Yes, sounds like it could be him.  Thanks!  Also, I was mistaken about him being in Spain; Narbonne was actually in Provence, now Southern France.

muman613:
You are certainly entitled to your opinions Rhayat1 but you will not convince me that you know better than the Rabbis. You may believe what you want to believe but there are men who are greater and wiser than you are who have looked at the material and decided that it is within Jewish belief. You may claim you believe you know what the ancient Israelites believed but I know what Judaism is to me, and what was taught to my family, for generations.

You can continue to squawk and think you are making a convincing argument. I have heard all kinds of heresies against the Jewish religion and the claim that Kabbalah is wicked and evil is just one of the attacks I have heard, along with the constant attacks on the Talmud. This is why I question your motives and question whether you believe the Talmud. You did not answer my question except to make a blanket statement that you believe whatever Rambam says about the Talmud.

What is your level of observance of mitzvot, if you don't mind my asking. I think you may be only coming from an intellectual angle. Where is your ahavas Yisroel? Where is your respect for the great Rabbis who are quoted each day across the four corners of the world? Why would anyone want to discredit those who have taught the Kabbalah and Chassidus which we are priveliged to have with us today?

You claim to know the true way of the Israelites? I truly doubt that. The Chumash is just the written Torah and we know that there is much Torah which was not written. We know that there was Torah kept before the Chumash was even written. There are secrets of the Torah which have not been written to this day. I do not see any reason to create division in Klal Yisroel by impugning so many great Rabbis.

Im sorry if you find my response harsh but I am very suspicious of what you are trying to accomplish. Kabbalah and Zohar do not inspire any idolatry, no avodah zarah, and no worshiping of Sefirot. Kabbalists do not worship the sun and the moon. As I have said before I am not a Kabbalist by any stretch of the imagination. All I know is what is presented in the form of Chassidic thought, as taught by the Baal Shem Tov and his followers. I also know that Sephardic Jewery also ascribes a great deal of weight to Kabbalistic teachings.

So present what you will... I hope that it makes you happy.

 

muman613:

--- Quote from: rhayat1 on February 07, 2010, 06:06:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on February 07, 2010, 05:32:38 PM ---Rhayat:

I believe the rabbi you refer to is Rabbi Meir ben Shimon of Narbonne?   Is that the Me'ili?
I have read that Rabbi Meir ben Shimon of Narbonne included in his grand work "Milchemet Mitzvah" an epistle within, with which he specifically attacked the "Sefer Bahir" and which disputed its attribution to tannaic authorship as well as its "heresy" it contained within.    Maybe this is the letter you have posted.

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Yes, sounds like it could be him.  Thanks!  Also, I was mistaken about him being in Spain; Narbonne was actually in Provence, now Southern France.

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Sounds like you need to do some fact checking...

muman613:

--- Quote ---Rabbi Avraham ben Yitzchak, (1110-1179) Av Beit Din of Narbonne, author of Sefer HaEshkol. Student of Yehuda ben Barzilai of Barcelona. Some identify him as the kabbalist Avraham ben Yitzchak of Granada, reputedly the author of Brit Menuchah (see below).

Rabbi Avraham ben Yitzchak of Granada (Rimon), Late 13th early 14th Century CE. He is thought to be the author of Brit Menucha. He is one of the earliest kabbalists to quote the Zohar; his citations, however, vary from the extant copies of the Zohar. Some identify him with Rabbi Avraham ben Yitzchak of Narbonne; Scholem disagrees (possibly because it contradicts his thesis that the author of the Zohar is Moshe de Leon?).
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http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/472745/jewish/Index-of-Sages.htm

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