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Offline takebackourtemple

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Re: Conservative synagogue and dues
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2010, 05:46:59 AM »
   Back in the days of the temple the Cohenim would spend their time dedicated to service in the temple, while people who benefited from these services would bring 10% of their crops to support the Cohenim and the poor.

   We no longer live in a primarily agricultural society and rely more on a monetary system without a temple. Our system of production, inventory and savings differ greatly now. From a strict agricultural standpoint, food would go to waste if not given so the 10% back then does not equate to the same 10% of someone's income now. There was also a greater trust in the Cohenim to manage the donations. These days someone can make a donation without any of the money going to the intended cause.

   Even though 10% it is referenced in the Talmud when people still lived under similar conditions, the 10% was more of a rabbinical decree than a biblical law.

   In my opinion tzaduka should be a responsible percentage of someone's potential. This includes all resources and factors in someone dedicating time to study of torah or volunteering for worthy causes instead of working. Potential also factors in the people who could be working but instead decide to squander their time watching television all day.

   The torah does not dictate socialism and tzaduka is meant to be a hand up rather than a hand out. It is actually a sin to look down on someone when you give tzaduka. Giving tzaduka to the poor because you're sorry for them is not the correct way to give. It is supposed to be given at the same level.

   Responsibility provides exemptions for the poor that do work to their full potential and cannot responsibly afford to give away their bread money. In such a case, the poor are responsible for other mitzvas such as supporting their families.

   Regardless of the situation, mitzvas always apply.
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Re: Conservative synagogue and dues
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2010, 07:44:05 AM »
  It's unfair to set a uniform amount for dues.  $2,000 per year per family is nothing for a doctor to pay who makes several hundred thousand per year.  $2,000 per year per family is alot to pay for a teacher and/or blue collar worker who struggles to make $30,000 per year.  What about the newly unemployed in this economy?
  Meanwhile, most Rabbis are making over $100,000 per year.  Is that a legitimate salary for a Rabbi?

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Re: Conservative synagogue and dues
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2010, 07:00:20 PM »
  It's unfair to set a uniform amount for dues.  $2,000 per year per family is nothing for a doctor to pay who makes several hundred thousand per year.  $2,000 per year per family is alot to pay for a teacher and/or blue collar worker who struggles to make $30,000 per year. What about the newly unemployed in this economy?

   I completely disagree because both the doctor and the blue collar worker are receiving the same amount of services for what they pay. When you buy something from a store, they don't ask you want your salary is and then charge accordingly. Considering that a high(but not exorbitant) priced gym membership runs for around $1000/year, $2000 is a ridiculous amount.

  Meanwhile, most Rabbis are making over $100,000 per year.  Is that a legitimate salary for a Rabbi?

   I've seen the budget for some Chabad congregations and was shocked to see this number at around $30,000. There are some wealthy congregations, but from what I've seen I doubt that the typical rabbi makes even close to $100,000. I've seen plenty of Rabbis that don't even do it for money. They have jobs and happen to also have smicha.
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Re: Conservative synagogue and dues
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2010, 07:58:43 PM »
I should have clarified what I meant: Rabbis at large congregations with several thousand members.

  The synagogue is supposed to be a spiritual institution, not a business.  I don't believe dues should be enforced.  Everyone should be asked to donate an amount that is comfortable for them.  Rich members of the synagogue should donate the bulk of the money, while the whole community should be able to participate in religious life there. This is the way it was in the shtetls/villages of Eastern Europe until the Holocaust.
  In America, especially among Conservative and Reform, synagogues are run like businesses with emphasis on the bottom line and profit ratio.