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Greece descending into anarchy
« on: March 11, 2010, 11:53:38 PM »
Greece rocked by riots as up to 60,000 people take to streets to protest against government

I think this can happen here.

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Greece rocked by riots as up to 60,000 people take to streets to protest against government
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Last updated at 5:15 PM on 11th March 2010
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Street clashes broke out between rioting youths and police in central Athens today as tens of thousands demonstrated during a nationwide strike against the cash-strapped government.
Hundreds of masked and hooded youths punched and kicked motorcycle police, knocking several off their bikes, as police responded with volleys of tear gas and stun grenades.
The violence spread after the end of the march to a nearby square, where police faced off with stone-throwing anarchists and suffocating clouds of tear gas sent patrons scurrying from open-air cafes.
Police say 16 suspected rioters were detained and two officers were injured.

Stand off: Greek police dodge petrol bombs hurled by rioters on the streets of Athens as protests against new measures to boost the economy turn violent

Up close: A flaming bottle flies towards a has-masked police officer who steps back to avoid being hit
Rioters used sledge hammers to smash the glass fronts of more than a dozen shops, banks, jewelers and a cinema.
Youths also set fire to rubbish bins and a car, smashed bus stops, and chopped blocks off marble balustrades and building facades to use as projectiles.
Organisers said some 60,000 people took part in the protest. But an unofficial police estimate set the crowd at around 20,000 - including those that took part in a separate, peaceful march earlier Thursday. Police do not issue official crowd estimates for demonstrations.
Thursday's strike - the second in a week - brought the country to a virtual standstill, grounding all flights and bringing public transport to a halt.

Chaos: A demonstrator kicks a tear gas canister as the 24 hour general strike turns ugly

Blockade: Strikers estimate up to 60,000 people had taken to the streets
State hospitals were left with emergency staff only and all news broadcasts were suspended as workers walked off the job for 24 hours to protest spending cuts and tax hikes designed to tackle the country's debt crisis.
Riot police made heavy use of tear gas during the start-and-stop clashes throughout the demonstration, including outside Parliament.
Strikers and protesters banged drums and chanted slogans such as 'no sacrifice for plutocracy,' and 'real jobs, higher pay.'
People draped banners from apartment buildings reading: 'No more sacrifices, war against war.
The demonstrators included hundreds of black-clad anarchists in crash helmets and ski masks, who repeatedly taunted and attacked riot police with stones and petrol bombs, at one point spraying officers with brown paint.

Extreme measures: Masked rioters set fire to a car during the demonstration

Force: Hundreds of police were deployed during the protests
Shopkeepers along the demonstration route hastily rolled down their shutters, while a few blocks away, people sat at outdoor restaurants, nonchalantly continuing their meals.
Tear gas wafted through the city center's streets, sending businessmen in suits scurrying for cover, their eyes streaming.
Minor clashes also broke out in the northern city of Thessaloniki, where about 14,000 people marched through the center.
Fears of a Greek default have undermined the euro for all 16 countries that share it, putting the Greek government under intense European Union pressure to quickly show fiscal improvement.
It has announced a raft of savings through public sector salary cuts, hiring and pension freezes and consumer tax hikes to deal with its ballooning deficit, but the measures have led to a new wave of labor discontent.
The cutbacks, added to a previous austerity plan, seek to reduce the country's budget deficit from 12.7 percent of annual output to 8.7 percent this year. The long-term target is to bring overspending below the EU ceiling of 3 percent of GDP in 2012.
The new plan sparked a wave of strikes and protests from labour unions whose reaction to the initial austerity measures had been muted.

Violence: Baton-wielding riot police clash with demonstrators in Athens

Target: A rioter sets fire to entrance of a hoteis
Thursday's strike shut down all public services and schools, leaving ferries tied up at port and suspending all news broadcasts for the day.
However, some private bank branches were open despite calls from the bank employees' union to participate in the strike.
While their colleagues clashed with groups of protesters, some police joined the demonstration.
About 200 uniformed police, coast guard and fire brigade officers, who cannot go on strike but can hold protests, gathered at a square in the center of the city shortly before the marches got under way.
'The police and other security forces have been particularly hard hit by the new measures because our salaries are very low,' said Yiannis Fanariotis, general secretary of one police association.
Joining the protest 'doesn't feel strange, because we are working people like everybody else and we are all shouting out for our rights,' he said.
The government says the tough cuts are its only way to dig Greece out of a crisis that has hammered the common European currency and alarmed international markets - inflating the loan-dependent country's borrowing costs.
But unions say ordinary Greeks are being called to pay a disproportionate price for past fiscal mismanagement.
'They are trying to make workers pay the price for this crisis,' said Yiannis Panagopoulos, leader of Greece's largest union, the GSEE.
'These measures will not be effective and will throw the economy into deep freeze.'
A general strike last Friday was marred by violence during a large protest march. Riot police used tear gas and baton charges against rock-throwing protesters, who smashed banks and storefronts, while left-wing protesters roughed up Panagopoulos as he was addressing a rally.
The labour unrest could spark fears that the government will have trouble in implementing its new measures.
Greece insists it doesn't need a bailout, and its European partners are reluctant to fund one.
But it has called for European and international support for its program, saying that unless it receives that support and the cost for it to borrow on the market falls, it might have to appeal to the International Monetary Fund for help.
On Wednesday night, Deputy Prime Minister Theodore Pangalos said Greece could bypass the costly process of borrowing from edgy markets by urging international institutions to buy its bonds at a set interest rate.
'We want, if there is an unjustified speculative attack against Greek bonds, to know that one of these institutions that have the substantial means to absorb such market products will come and say "look here, I am buying Greek bonds at this price, with this interest rate,"' Pangalos told private Mega TV.
He did not say which institutions he was referring to, or elaborate on the interest rate.
Markets think some kind of rescue would be organised if default looms. Speculation has focused on possible guarantees for Greek bonds or help from state-owned banks in other eurozone countries.
 
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Re: Greece descending into anarchy
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2010, 12:07:45 AM »
it could happen here not now but in a few years. Greeks are lazy in generality, as they are on handouts by the government. they hardly work, and aside from the fact that they are anti jew. I know this as i have even friends who are Greek and say some horrible things that I have to correct. They are sort of European, but are very much like the muslim countries in that they also blame everything on the jews *to note, that they killed all of the 2000 year old population in wwII) I have heard that they blame thier economic condition on the jews, the forest fires last year on the jews. This is why they cant succeed. 

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Re: Greece descending into anarchy
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2010, 12:35:41 AM »
it could happen here not now but in a few years. Greeks are lazy in generality, as they are on handouts by the government. they hardly work, and aside from the fact that they are anti jew. I know this as i have even friends who are Greek and say some horrible things that I have to correct. They are sort of European, but are very much like the muslim countries in that they also blame everything on the jews *to note, that they killed all of the 2000 year old population in wwII) I have heard that they blame thier economic condition on the jews, the forest fires last year on the jews. This is why they cant succeed. 

I am convinced, that if WE do not change course, this will be our fate.  We are sliding into socialism, and our debt situation may be much worse than Greece soon. 

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Re: Greece descending into anarchy
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2010, 05:37:27 AM »
it could happen here not now but in a few years. Greeks are lazy in generality, as they are on handouts by the government. they hardly work, and aside from the fact that they are anti jew. I know this as i have even friends who are Greek and say some horrible things that I have to correct. They are sort of European, but are very much like the muslim countries in that they also blame everything on the jews *to note, that they killed all of the 2000 year old population in wwII) I have heard that they blame thier economic condition on the jews, the forest fires last year on the jews. This is why they cant succeed. 

First of all, "rioting youths" in the article is a code word for brainwashed communists.

As for your comments, Greeks are indeed lazy but it is the handouts from the government and the decades of electing socialists and looking at those handouts as a right that has gotten them to be like this. Unfortunately, as they are now finding out, this leads to an entitlement mind frame that is very difficult to break out of as I suspect other socialist countries, including the U.S., will find out in due time.

I'm not sure what you mean by "that they killed all of the 2000 year old population in wwII". Please elaborate.

As far as the antisemitism that exists in Greece, it is for a fact true. But if you watch the mainstream news reports there you would think that they are direct feeds from Al Jazeera. In fact, I remember watching  BBC news reports there where any mention of Israel was accompanied by video footage of IDF soldiers usually discharging their weapons and any mention of Palestinians was accompanied by video footage of women and children "refugees" in what looked like a war zone. But, then again, I expect nothing less from the BBC.
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Re: Greece descending into anarchy
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2010, 09:47:24 AM »
it could happen here not now but in a few years. Greeks are lazy in generality, as they are on handouts by the government. they hardly work, and aside from the fact that they are anti jew. I know this as i have even friends who are Greek and say some horrible things that I have to correct. They are sort of European, but are very much like the muslim countries in that they also blame everything on the jews *to note, that they killed all of the 2000 year old population in wwII) I have heard that they blame thier economic condition on the jews, the forest fires last year on the jews. This is why they cant succeed. 

I am convinced, that if WE do not change course, this will be our fate.  We are sliding into socialism, and our debt situation may be much worse than Greece soon. 
Briann, it is sad to say that we actually need this to happen.
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