The Rules of The JTF Forum and The Censored Words Policy

[judeanoncapta]

How's this for a rule. No word that Chaim uses on his show should be banned on this forum. Whaddaya think, Yaacov?

[judeanoncapta]

Of course, they accuse JTF of racism. Are you trying to fool yourself into thinking that JTF isn't racist? We call blacks monkeys,baboons, affirmative action people, affirmative action geniuses, affirmative action creatures. Every dehumanizing name under the sun. If Chaim wants to not be accused of racism, he should stop saying that stuff. If he doesn't care then let him allow us to do what he does. I love Chaim, but what would he say if some Jewish group allowed kike but banner [censored] from their forum? Wouldn't he call them self-hating scum? Why the double standard?

[MarZutra]

Hello Christian Zionist,
Thank you for your reply. I don't agree with you, especially about the notion that christians are "propagating" the faith when they distribute tracts. That statement implies christians do that to increase the numbers in the "club"[i.e. it's a personally motivated endevour] as opposed to simply spreading the word as Jesus COMMANDED. And since most Jewish forums are completely closed to debate, such as this one, do groups like Jews For Jesus have any alternative? The fact that there is so much false christianity out there I think also has to make one consider that there must also be many non-christians out there that think they know the christian message, but really don't. But thank you for your sincere reply. Allen-T

I have to agree with CZ here.  I find missionary work highly offensive.  If one wishes to convert peoples to Christianity, how about starting with the Muslim, Socialist/Communist, Buddhist or Hindu communities and their sites.  JTF is not closed to debate on any subject in my opinion.  I support Christians and righteous gentiles to, G-d willing, take back their country with morality, but when it comes to missionary work towards Jews, I must draw the line. 

I too feel if Kike can be used so can n-gger.  If one wishes to delve into the historical aspect of the word n-igger itself it had no derogatory nature whatsoever until the "progressive" Marxist movement got involved.  If one wishes to call me a "racist", so let them.  They would A. be wrong and B. be very ignorant to both the factually correct meaning of "racism" as well the ideology that is "progressing" it onto the masses.  I do believe that David on last week's show stated that somehow Kike, Wetback, Cracker, Honky are ok but n-gger is not, not that I use is anyway but I beg the point? 

To this, I shall also debate.  "Ignorance and arrogance are the poisons of the Liberal Mind." - R.M.K.

[dawntreader]

To this, I shall also debate.  "Ignorance and arrogance are the poisons of the Liberal Mind." - R.M.K.

I would just like to say that really, ignorance and arrogance are the poisons of the CLOSED mind. Any subject should be up for debate...even Christian Missionary stuff provided there are no personal attacks and foul language etc.

I think in order to not be a hypocrite, seeing as how Chaim said that the merits of religion ought to be able to be debated....and if you have a stronger argument based on what the Bible ACTUALLY says...then why not air it?

Remember what Rabbi Kahane stated as well..."those who cannot debate...defame."

If we Jews are too afraid (Or too annoyed) to debate with the Christian Missionaries, Jews for Jesus etc.

What the heck makes us any different or more correct than them? We can't just make a grand declaration that we are. There has to be evidence and proof, and what better forum to do that than in a good open debate?

JTF might not be the correct forum for it...but Allen-T does have a point.

[MarZutra]

Debate is one thing but Missionary work is wholly another.  Further, the closed mind is something highly common amongst those of the Liberal Left and not the Centrist/ Conservative/ "Right" by and large directly taking into consideration between the ideological differences between Factual Correctness and Joseph Stalin's "Political Correctness".  This is perhaps why Rabbi Kahane used the term Liberal and not Closed...    

Earlier this week, I had the misfortune of debating a Nazi so-called "white supremacist" ignoramus on this site as I defended his right to Free Speech and debate on this forum....to which this Hitlarian displayed a high level of indoctrination of baseless assertion of factually based conclusions.  In the end....he left...  With any luck he will take a second look at the "information" his friends are dishing out....

You are 100% correct DT.....Those who cannot debate.....do defame...lol

[MarZutra]

On this forum, we promote cooperation between Jews and Christians. We want to work together, not try to convert each other. In fact, Jews don't require Gentiles to convert in order to be accepted. Judaism is not Nazi Islam.

Very good Yacov...very good...

[ihkili18]

Why, if you have a forum full of informers like the revava forum is, aren't you supposed to kill them according to the torah? I think that calling them names is letting them off too easy. This is not a fight between groups or forums, it's rather one group who inform on their fellow jews and another group that is trully trying to protect jews. I don't think we should be putting restrictions on people as long as they are fighting for a righteous cause and doing good.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Yacov,

I respect you, but these animals are calling Chaim a degenerate and other things on OUR forum. In fact, I doubt that some of these are Jews at all--I think a few of them are StørmFrønt posters who latched onto Revava when they learned that they have a beef with us.

This dreck, whether they are self-hating Jews or Gentile Nazis, does not deserve to live.

Chaimfan

[ihkili18]

Yep wattering down this forum to suit these nazis that come on here will do us no good.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

"Dominater" is not even from Revava. He's a moderator from Kahane.org. If you want to insult him, do it in the way Jimmy does it. Don't resort to obscenities or language that is becoming to our enemies.

I will find you the link from Revava where he makes the exact same post there flaming Chaim, under the screenname BK.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Well look, I don't have all the answers, but I would not take the word of these Revava phonies and Shabak traitors if my life depended on it. It is KNOWN that Dominater's real screenname is TorahTruth, which is VERY similar to TruthTyper, who is a known Nazi (and I DON'T just mean that in a generic anti-Israel sense, I mean that he is a true, outright white supremacist National Socialist Party supporter).

Why would he be unwilling to create a fake British or Israeli Jewish persona to fit in over at Revava in the hopes of getting juicy rumors and lies from those self-hating turds in over to come bash us over here with?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I didn't say Revava and StørmFrønt are IDENTICAL, I said that they agree with each other in hating JTF and that it is possible that they share some members for that reason.

The bottom line is Revava hates us because they know they are phonies and that we will steal their audience from them if they hear our message. StørmFrønt hates us because they know that the young whites they are trying to brainwash will choose us any day over their arses if they hear our message and platform first. In that, their reasons for hating us are quite identical.

Furthermore, even though StørmFrønt is a white supremacist Nazi organization, I know full well they would be temporarily be willing to ally themselves with blacks and Hispanics who hate Jews, because Jews are their ultimate target for extermination as Nazis. They sympathize with the Arabs, who are as nonwhite as they come, because the Arabs hate Jews.

Hitler formed alliances with many nonwhites, such as Arabs, who supported him in the Holocaust, as well as whites he considered inferior (like the Russians) when it suited him. Yeah, he would have killed them too after he won the war, but at the time, they were willing to assist his quest for genocide, and he took them up on their offer.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I disagree with you that Arabs are non-white. They are racially related to Jews.

APPEARANCE-wise they aren't white. I don't look too deeply into the meaning of the term "white"--it's just a description of color, nothing else. Appearance-wise most Jews resemble "Aryans" far more than Arabs do. 

Revava wouldn't go on StørmFrønt and StørmFrønt probably never heard about Revava unless it was from JTF.

Maybe they did hear about each other from JTF. It doesn't matter. For whatever reason, they agree with each other when it comes to us. Revava is certainly full of Jewish Nazis who masquerade as rightists. StørmFrønt is just a little more honest about it's desire to annihilate every last Jew on the planet.

[Allen-T]

I must admit I have not followed at all any posts talked about on this thread, but from what I just read here, it sounds like we are making alot of people jealous. We are expanding, trailblazing new fronts like Youtube, WestCoastJTF appears out of nowhere with this amazing archive, etc. The best possible weapon against those against US is UNIFICATION amongst US! If these groups dislike/hate Chaim because of his embracing gentiles,or for whatever reason, you can be certain that will fuel more and more hatred as we grow and G-d willing,we most certainly will!! I am not saying every attack should be ignored, but why waste valuable energy attacking them. Focus instead on how our relationships within JTF can be strengthened despite our differences. I believe that if we perfect our ability to work together here, it can have the potential to be an influence on other religious/racial groups who might otherwise reject our message. Of course when attackers come here we should defend ourselves but I don't seem much point in going to them, on their forums and attacking them. Why bother?

[ihkili18]

The point is, on this forum we should be able to attack and address filthy jew haters and self hating scum with the strongest language possible. We should be allowed to personally attack evil drek. These people would actually destroy Israel and us if they could so we should be talking to them on their level. JTF should be a place where extreme right wing jews and gentiles can express their support for Israel and righteousness in whichever way they would like.

[ihkili18]

I am always afraid when I post here that if I call a shvartza by the appropriate word or if I properly address a revava piece of @#$% then I will be banned. I have been listening to Chaim for many years and I long for the days of shows like the one chaim did when that shvartza politician killed his opponent inside city hall. We must never stray from our extreme right wing roots.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Yacov, Dominater called Chaim a degenerate and was never reprimanded. He and several others have called Jimmy and others "goy" and received minimal reprimand.

Please explain why Ovadia Yosef and Dominater are more protected from insult than the rest of us. Thanks.

PS I gave ample reason why I think Dominater may be StørmFrønt. You choose to not agree with that, but I cannot see why we cannot raise the issue for others to decide.

[Trumpeldor]

I will personally remove all such attacks. If Jimmy tells me to, I will ban people who repeatedly violate these rules.

In addition to this, there must be no more threads attacking HaRav Ovadiah Yosef unless you are criticizing his policies. Personal attacks, name calling, and slander against him is not permitted.

It is illegal to call Dominater a Nazi.

Yacov, what is your opinion of Baruch Marzel in light of his despicable actions? To me, he deserves nothing but scorn and ridicule for taking campaign donations from Chaim and now denying it. To me, that is treachery.

[Shlomo]

The point is, on this forum we should be able to attack and address filthy jew haters and self hating scum with the strongest language possible. We should be allowed to personally attack evil drek. These people would actually destroy Israel and us if they could so we should be talking to them on their level. JTF should be a place where extreme right wing jews and gentiles can express their support for Israel and righteousness in whichever way they would like.

I see your point. I agree with you on part of this. We should never go down to their level... that's the way the muslims think.

I think we just have to be careful to provide facts and logic as well. We need to back up our points. Chaim always backs up what he says.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I don't understand--you yourself do not like these people, but want to shield them from insults?

[Dominater96]

Yacov, Dominater called Chaim a degenerate and was never reprimanded. He and several others have called Jimmy and others "goy" and received minimal reprimand.

Please explain why Ovadia Yosef and Dominater are more protected from insult than the rest of us. Thanks.

PS I gave ample reason why I think Dominater may be StørmFrønt. You choose to not agree with that, but I cannot see why we cannot raise the issue for others to decide.

No I didnt call Chaima degenerate. I said who ever calls Rabbi Ovadia Yosef a degenerate, is a degenerate themself.

[Christian Zionist]

I 100% agree with these 2 new rules.

Remember our JTF forum is being read by hundreds of guests every month.  Personal attacks and name calling will definitely turn many of them off .

We should disagree with the ideology and should not attack the person.  However muslim and nazi invaders should be dealt with differently.

[Dr. Dan]

Extremism and absolutism leave very little room for compromise. And when there is very little room for compromise, you make more enemies than friends...

[takebackourtemple]

   Isn't name calling an important part of the show? Congolisa Rice, Ehud Smolmert, Hillary Arafat Clinton, George Wajabe Bush are names that Chaim uses frequently.

[Shlomo]

Isn't name calling an important part of the show? Congolisa Rice, Ehud Smolmert, Hillary Arafat Clinton, George Wajabe Bush are names that Chaim uses frequently.

He's not saying you can't call Hillary a sack of worthless excrement. lol

He's talking about posters. I really think this is more about Chaimfan going off all the time calling Dominator a StørmFrønt (whatever the heck that is) and attacking HaRav Ovadiah Yosef.