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U.S. General Blames Israel for Death of U.S. Troops
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ADL chairman speaks out against argument that Israel endangers US soldiers.
 
Israel should immediately battle a charge emerging in the US that its actions are endangering the lives of US soldiers, because it is a particularly “pernicious” argument that “smacks of blaming the Jews for everything,” Anti-Defamation League National Chairman Abe Foxman said on Monday.

Foxman, in an interview with The Jerusalem Post, was replying to an emerging theme that has run through the public discussion in the US of the Interior Ministry’s announcement of plans to build 1,600 housing units in northeast Jerusalem’s Ramat Shlomo neighborhood: that Israel’s actions could cost the lives of American soldiers.

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Eytan Gilboa, a political science professor at Bar-Ilan University in Ramat Gan and a specialist on US-Israeli relations, said the government needed to frontally counter this argument because it risked eroding support for Israel among the US public.

US Vice President Joe Biden was quoted by Yediot Aharonot last week as telling Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, in an angry exchange over the Ramat Shlomo incident, that “this is starting to get dangerous for us.”

“What you’re doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan,” Biden was quoted as saying. “That endangers us and it endangers regional peace.”

On Saturday, the Foreign Policy magazine Web site ran a story saying that the commander of the US Central Command, Gen. David Petraeus, sent a briefing team to the Pentagon at the beginning of the year “with a stark warning: America’s relationship with Israel is important, but not as important as the lives of America’s soldiers.”

And on Sunday, ABC News senior White House correspondent Jake Tapper asked US President Barack Obama’s top aide David Axelrod twice whether “Israel’s intransigence on the housing issue put the lives of US troops at risk.”

Axelrod said he wouldn’t put it in those terms.

“This is probably one of the most serious charges that we have ever heard,” Foxman said.

“Israel is a country that has never asked American soldiers, even in its darkest moment, to risk its lives to defend it. From time to time there have been suggestions of security pacts, where the US would have to come to Israel’s aid, and all the leaders of Israel have said that the last thing they would want is for US soldiers to risk their lives to defend Israelis,” he said.

The charge that supporting Israel endangers US soldiers, Foxman said, comes from the “linkage fantasy,” a point of view that “if you just resolve this conflict, everything else will fall into place: Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, America’s war with fundamentalist Islam.”

Gilboa, meanwhile, said that if not combated aggressively, this argument – if it gains traction among the American public – could undermine the widespread support in the US for Israel.

“All Americans support their troops,” he said, adding that this particular argument was “very dangerous.”

The logic behind the argument is that the US feels it needs to maintain the pro-Western Arab block for the scheduled withdrawal of American troops from Iraq in August, and then later from Afghanistan, and that this block will crumble without a resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Gilboa said.


“This is not the case,” he argued. “This logic ignores the interest the pro-Western Arab countries have in maintaining good relations with the West, and in preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons.”

Gilboa said this argument might be an excuse being used by the US military to cover up its failures in Iraq and Afghanistan. He said he didn’t think the Ramat Shlomo project was important to al-Qaida fighting the US in Iraq, or to the Taliban in Afghanistan.

“It is complete nonsense,” he said.

“This is dangerous, because it could hurt public opinion toward Israel, and increase anti-Semitism. There is a great need to do something,” he said, adding that US soldiers were being killed in Iraq because of US policies, not Israeli ones.

This was one issue Netanyahu needed to address at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee conference in Washington next week, Gilboa said.
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Re: U.S. General Blames Israel for Death of U.S. Troops
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2010, 11:09:01 AM »
Yes, this is troubling news indeed. It seems that America is leaning antisemitic. I hope that someone stands up and rebukes him.

It is true that Israel has never been protected during war by the United States. I don't know how he can claim that American soldiers lives are in danger because of Israel. What was going through this supposed intelligent generals head? There are no American troops in Israel, and if there are they are learning a thing or two from the Israelis... I just heard from a US Army veteran {who served in Vietnam} that they learned from the Israeli army some tactics.

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Re: U.S. General Blames Israel for Death of U.S. Troops
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2010, 11:12:14 AM »
Make sure you've got your guns, as the virulent Jew hatred floating around is not going away any time soon.

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Re: U.S. General Blames Israel for Death of U.S. Troops
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2010, 11:45:40 AM »
ACTUALLY HE DIDN'T   



 Biden didn't say it

Remember that ranting and raving Joe Biden tantrum last Tuesday in which Biden allegedly said that Israeli actions in approving 1,600 housing units in Jerusalem's Ramat Shlomo neighborhood was endangering American troops? Remember the follow-up claim that the comments were based on a briefing by a CENTCOM team dispatched by General David Petraeus that said that US standing in the Arab world was being eroded by the perception that the US cannot bring Israel into line? Well, Jeffrey Goldberg reports that the claims about what Biden said were a lie.

    Since I do not have overwhelming faith in the stenographic and interpretive skills of some Israeli reporters, I called the White House to ask if Biden actually said this. It would be quite something, of course, if he did. I spoke with a senior administration official last night who accompanied Biden on his trip to Israel, and he said that Biden did not say tell the Israelis that their actions were endangering American troops. Here is what the official told me:

        "The assertion I read in the newspaper suggested that the Vice President said something to the effect that Israeli actions are endangering American soldiers. He never said that, and there's no basis to assert that he did. It's nothing he said and I don't know how it was inferred.

        What he did say in a meeting with the prime minister and his senior advisers and his own team was that the U.S. is doing a number of things in our national security interest, and in Israel's national security interest, and they include a strong effort to build a coalition against Iran's nuclear program; deploying 200,000 troops in conflict areas in the region; standing against efforts to delegitimize Israel in various international bodies, sometimes virtually alone; acting decisively against terrorists in very significant ways; and building probably the strongest defense cooperation relationship with Israel that we've seen, including on missile defense. And he said that the extent to which Israel aggressively pursues peace makes these efforts easier."

Sounds like an Emily Latella moment, doesn't it?

Jeffrey's too kind for attributing this to Israeli reporters' 'stenographic skills.' The story first appeared in Yediot Aharonot, Israel's second most Leftist newspaper. I'd love to know whether the reporter lied on purpose. It wouldn't be all that surprising. In this country, the mainstream media has a hard time separating fact from opinion.

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Re: U.S. General Blames Israel for Death of U.S. Troops
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2010, 11:51:28 AM »
We are not talking about Biden BUT General Petraeus who HAS said that Israel is causing U.S. troops to be killed by angering the muslim world


ACTUALLY HE DIDN'T   



 Biden didn't say it

Remember that ranting and raving Joe Biden tantrum last Tuesday in which Biden allegedly said that Israeli actions in approving 1,600 housing units in Jerusalem's Ramat Shlomo neighborhood was endangering American troops? Remember the follow-up claim that the comments were based on a briefing by a CENTCOM team dispatched by General David Petraeus that said that US standing in the Arab world was being eroded by the perception that the US cannot bring Israel into line? Well, Jeffrey Goldberg reports that the claims about what Biden said were a lie.

    Since I do not have overwhelming faith in the stenographic and interpretive skills of some Israeli reporters, I called the White House to ask if Biden actually said this. It would be quite something, of course, if he did. I spoke with a senior administration official last night who accompanied Biden on his trip to Israel, and he said that Biden did not say tell the Israelis that their actions were endangering American troops. Here is what the official told me:

        "The assertion I read in the newspaper suggested that the Vice President said something to the effect that Israeli actions are endangering American soldiers. He never said that, and there's no basis to assert that he did. It's nothing he said and I don't know how it was inferred.

        What he did say in a meeting with the prime minister and his senior advisers and his own team was that the U.S. is doing a number of things in our national security interest, and in Israel's national security interest, and they include a strong effort to build a coalition against Iran's nuclear program; deploying 200,000 troops in conflict areas in the region; standing against efforts to delegitimize Israel in various international bodies, sometimes virtually alone; acting decisively against terrorists in very significant ways; and building probably the strongest defense cooperation relationship with Israel that we've seen, including on missile defense. And he said that the extent to which Israel aggressively pursues peace makes these efforts easier."

Sounds like an Emily Latella moment, doesn't it?

Jeffrey's too kind for attributing this to Israeli reporters' 'stenographic skills.' The story first appeared in Yediot Aharonot, Israel's second most Leftist newspaper. I'd love to know whether the reporter lied on purpose. It wouldn't be all that surprising. In this country, the mainstream media has a hard time separating fact from opinion.

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Re: U.S. General Blames Israel for Death of U.S. Troops
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2010, 11:55:32 AM »
We are not talking about Biden BUT General Petraeus who HAS said that Israel is causing U.S. troops to be killed by angering the muslim world


ACTUALLY HE DIDN'T   



 Biden didn't say it

Remember that ranting and raving Joe Biden tantrum last Tuesday in which Biden allegedly said that Israeli actions in approving 1,600 housing units in Jerusalem's Ramat Shlomo neighborhood was endangering American troops? Remember the follow-up claim that the comments were based on a briefing by a CENTCOM team dispatched by General David Petraeus that said that US standing in the Arab world was being eroded by the perception that the US cannot bring Israel into line? Well, Jeffrey Goldberg reports that the claims about what Biden said were a lie.

    Since I do not have overwhelming faith in the stenographic and interpretive skills of some Israeli reporters, I called the White House to ask if Biden actually said this. It would be quite something, of course, if he did. I spoke with a senior administration official last night who accompanied Biden on his trip to Israel, and he said that Biden did not say tell the Israelis that their actions were endangering American troops. Here is what the official told me:

        "The assertion I read in the newspaper suggested that the Vice President said something to the effect that Israeli actions are endangering American soldiers. He never said that, and there's no basis to assert that he did. It's nothing he said and I don't know how it was inferred.

        What he did say in a meeting with the prime minister and his senior advisers and his own team was that the U.S. is doing a number of things in our national security interest, and in Israel's national security interest, and they include a strong effort to build a coalition against Iran's nuclear program; deploying 200,000 troops in conflict areas in the region; standing against efforts to delegitimize Israel in various international bodies, sometimes virtually alone; acting decisively against terrorists in very significant ways; and building probably the strongest defense cooperation relationship with Israel that we've seen, including on missile defense. And he said that the extent to which Israel aggressively pursues peace makes these efforts easier."

Sounds like an Emily Latella moment, doesn't it?

Jeffrey's too kind for attributing this to Israeli reporters' 'stenographic skills.' The story first appeared in Yediot Aharonot, Israel's second most Leftist newspaper. I'd love to know whether the reporter lied on purpose. It wouldn't be all that surprising. In this country, the mainstream media has a hard time separating fact from opinion.

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      Remember that ranting and raving Joe Biden tantrum last Tuesday in which Biden allegedly said that Israeli actions in approving 1,600 housing units in Jerusalem's Ramat Shlomo neighborhood was endangering American troops? Remember the follow-up claim that the comments were based on a briefing by a CENTCOM team dispatched by General David Petraeus that said that US standing in the Arab world was being eroded by the perception that the US cannot bring Israel into line? Well, Jeffrey Goldberg reports that the claims about what Biden said were a lie.
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Re: U.S. General Blames Israel for Death of U.S. Troops
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2010, 12:09:59 PM »
General Petraeus said this to the SENATE ARMED SERVICES Committee in PUBLIC their is NO dispute that this was said.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1157108.html

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U.S. General David Petraeus said on Wednesday that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was fomenting anti-American sentiment due to the perception of U.S. favoritism towards Israel.

Speaking to the Senate Armed Services Committee, Petraeus explained that "enduring hostilities between Israel and some of its neighbors present distinct challenges to our ability to advance our interests in the area of responsibility."

"Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples [in the region]," Petraeus said.
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His comments follow a week of tense relations between Israel and the U.S. following Israel's announcement of plans to build 1,600 housing units in East Jerusalem, which was made public while U.S. Vice President Joe Biden was visiting the country.

On Sunday, another prominent member of Barak Obama's government, chief political adviser David Axelrod, said ending the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was imperative for U.S. security.

Speaking on Israel's announcement about building in East Jerusalem, Axelrod hinted that it was a deliberate attempt to thwart indirect talks with the Palestinians.

"It was an insult, but that's not the most important thing," Axelrod added, saying that the move was disruptive to upcoming proximity talks with the Palestinians and that the approval during Biden's visit "seemed calculated to undermine that, and that was - that was distressing to everyone who is promoting the idea of peace and security in the region."

Responding to the possibility that Israel's move could have any effect on U.S. soldiers in the region, Axelrod said that he believed "that that region and that issue is a flare point throughout the region, and so I'm not going to put it in those terms."

However, the top Obama aide added that he did "believe that it is absolutely imperative, not just for the security of Israel and the Palestinian people, who were, remember, at war just a year ago, but it is important for our own security that we move forward and resolve this very difficult issue."

Axelrod said that the bond between Israel and the United States was "strong," but adding that "for just that very reason, this was not the right way to behave."

We are not talking about Biden BUT General Petraeus who HAS said that Israel is causing U.S. troops to be killed by angering the muslim world


ACTUALLY HE DIDN'T   



 Biden didn't say it

Remember that ranting and raving Joe Biden tantrum last Tuesday in which Biden allegedly said that Israeli actions in approving 1,600 housing units in Jerusalem's Ramat Shlomo neighborhood was endangering American troops? Remember the follow-up claim that the comments were based on a briefing by a CENTCOM team dispatched by General David Petraeus that said that US standing in the Arab world was being eroded by the perception that the US cannot bring Israel into line? Well, Jeffrey Goldberg reports that the claims about what Biden said were a lie.

    Since I do not have overwhelming faith in the stenographic and interpretive skills of some Israeli reporters, I called the White House to ask if Biden actually said this. It would be quite something, of course, if he did. I spoke with a senior administration official last night who accompanied Biden on his trip to Israel, and he said that Biden did not say tell the Israelis that their actions were endangering American troops. Here is what the official told me:

        "The assertion I read in the newspaper suggested that the Vice President said something to the effect that Israeli actions are endangering American soldiers. He never said that, and there's no basis to assert that he did. It's nothing he said and I don't know how it was inferred.

        What he did say in a meeting with the prime minister and his senior advisers and his own team was that the U.S. is doing a number of things in our national security interest, and in Israel's national security interest, and they include a strong effort to build a coalition against Iran's nuclear program; deploying 200,000 troops in conflict areas in the region; standing against efforts to delegitimize Israel in various international bodies, sometimes virtually alone; acting decisively against terrorists in very significant ways; and building probably the strongest defense cooperation relationship with Israel that we've seen, including on missile defense. And he said that the extent to which Israel aggressively pursues peace makes these efforts easier."

Sounds like an Emily Latella moment, doesn't it?

Jeffrey's too kind for attributing this to Israeli reporters' 'stenographic skills.' The story first appeared in Yediot Aharonot, Israel's second most Leftist newspaper. I'd love to know whether the reporter lied on purpose. It wouldn't be all that surprising. In this country, the mainstream media has a hard time separating fact from opinion.

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      Remember that ranting and raving Joe Biden tantrum last Tuesday in which Biden allegedly said that Israeli actions in approving 1,600 housing units in Jerusalem's Ramat Shlomo neighborhood was endangering American troops? Remember the follow-up claim that the comments were based on a briefing by a CENTCOM team dispatched by General David Petraeus that said that US standing in the Arab world was being eroded by the perception that the US cannot bring Israel into line? Well, Jeffrey Goldberg reports that the claims about what Biden said were a lie.
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Re: U.S. General Blames Israel for Death of U.S. Troops
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2010, 12:18:49 PM »
General Petraeus said this to the SENATE ARMED SERVICES Committee in PUBLIC their is NO dispute that this was said.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1157108.html

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U.S. General David Petraeus said on Wednesday that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was fomenting anti-American sentiment due to the perception of U.S. favoritism towards Israel.

Speaking to the Senate Armed Services Committee, Petraeus explained that "enduring hostilities between Israel and some of its neighbors present distinct challenges to our ability to advance our interests in the area of responsibility."

"Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples [in the region]," Petraeus said.
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His comments follow a week of tense relations between Israel and the U.S. following Israel's announcement of plans to build 1,600 housing units in East Jerusalem, which was made public while U.S. Vice President Joe Biden was visiting the country.

On Sunday, another prominent member of Barak Obama's government, chief political adviser David Axelrod, said ending the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was imperative for U.S. security.

Speaking on Israel's announcement about building in East Jerusalem, Axelrod hinted that it was a deliberate attempt to thwart indirect talks with the Palestinians.

"It was an insult, but that's not the most important thing," Axelrod added, saying that the move was disruptive to upcoming proximity talks with the Palestinians and that the approval during Biden's visit "seemed calculated to undermine that, and that was - that was distressing to everyone who is promoting the idea of peace and security in the region."

Responding to the possibility that Israel's move could have any effect on U.S. soldiers in the region, Axelrod said that he believed "that that region and that issue is a flare point throughout the region, and so I'm not going to put it in those terms."

However, the top Obama aide added that he did "believe that it is absolutely imperative, not just for the security of Israel and the Palestinian people, who were, remember, at war just a year ago, but it is important for our own security that we move forward and resolve this very difficult issue."

Axelrod said that the bond between Israel and the United States was "strong," but adding that "for just that very reason, this was not the right way to behave."

We are not talking about Biden BUT General Petraeus who HAS said that Israel is causing U.S. troops to be killed by angering the muslim world


ACTUALLY HE DIDN'T   



 Biden didn't say it

Remember that ranting and raving Joe Biden tantrum last Tuesday in which Biden allegedly said that Israeli actions in approving 1,600 housing units in Jerusalem's Ramat Shlomo neighborhood was endangering American troops? Remember the follow-up claim that the comments were based on a briefing by a CENTCOM team dispatched by General David Petraeus that said that US standing in the Arab world was being eroded by the perception that the US cannot bring Israel into line? Well, Jeffrey Goldberg reports that the claims about what Biden said were a lie.

    Since I do not have overwhelming faith in the stenographic and interpretive skills of some Israeli reporters, I called the White House to ask if Biden actually said this. It would be quite something, of course, if he did. I spoke with a senior administration official last night who accompanied Biden on his trip to Israel, and he said that Biden did not say tell the Israelis that their actions were endangering American troops. Here is what the official told me:

        "The assertion I read in the newspaper suggested that the Vice President said something to the effect that Israeli actions are endangering American soldiers. He never said that, and there's no basis to assert that he did. It's nothing he said and I don't know how it was inferred.

        What he did say in a meeting with the prime minister and his senior advisers and his own team was that the U.S. is doing a number of things in our national security interest, and in Israel's national security interest, and they include a strong effort to build a coalition against Iran's nuclear program; deploying 200,000 troops in conflict areas in the region; standing against efforts to delegitimize Israel in various international bodies, sometimes virtually alone; acting decisively against terrorists in very significant ways; and building probably the strongest defense cooperation relationship with Israel that we've seen, including on missile defense. And he said that the extent to which Israel aggressively pursues peace makes these efforts easier."

Sounds like an Emily Latella moment, doesn't it?

Jeffrey's too kind for attributing this to Israeli reporters' 'stenographic skills.' The story first appeared in Yediot Aharonot, Israel's second most Leftist newspaper. I'd love to know whether the reporter lied on purpose. It wouldn't be all that surprising. In this country, the mainstream media has a hard time separating fact from opinion.

posted by Carl in Jerusalem @ 9:43 AM 1 comments links to this post

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http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/
      Remember that ranting and raving Joe Biden tantrum last Tuesday in which Biden allegedly said that Israeli actions in approving 1,600 housing units in Jerusalem's Ramat Shlomo neighborhood was endangering American troops? Remember the follow-up claim that the comments were based on a briefing by a CENTCOM team dispatched by General David Petraeus that said that US standing in the Arab world was being eroded by the perception that the US cannot bring Israel into line? Well, Jeffrey Goldberg reports that the claims about what Biden said were a lie.
         

JEFFREY GOLDBERG WHO IS LEFT OF CENTER AND WRITES FOR THE ATLANTIC I THINK IS A MUCH BEYYER SOURCE THEN HA'ARETZ    HERES THE FULL ARTICLE


http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/03/did-joe-biden-say-what-people-think-he-said/37534/
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Re: U.S. General Blames Israel for Death of U.S. Troops
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2010, 12:25:18 PM »
I hate to be the devils advocate, but Patreus is actually right.  Muslims DO perceive that there is U.S. favoritism towards Israel.  Even with a Muslim president who is bending over backwards appeasing Islmofascist regimes, they STILL believe this.  The U.S. could sever all ties with Israel right now (Something Obama would love), and it wouldnt matter.  Muslims would still believe that there is a vast conspiracy between US and Israel.  This will never change.

What's the moral to this?  WHO THE HECK CARES WHAT THE MUSLIMS THINK.  They are brainwashed idiots who will always hate us.  They will hate the US regardless of what we do.  They will believe that the US and Israel are the 2 devils no matter how freindly we are.  Lets stop appeasing them, as they are scum!!!



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Re: U.S. General Blames Israel for Death of U.S. Troops
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2010, 12:28:44 PM »
Regardless of the source the fact is General Petraeus did lay blame at Israel for U.S. image problems in the Muslim world.

Whether Biden said something or not is irrelevant, because Petraeus made the above statement to the U.S. Senate.



General Petraeus said this to the SENATE ARMED SERVICES Committee in PUBLIC their is NO dispute that this was said.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1157108.html

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U.S. General David Petraeus said on Wednesday that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was fomenting anti-American sentiment due to the perception of U.S. favoritism towards Israel.

Speaking to the Senate Armed Services Committee, Petraeus explained that "enduring hostilities between Israel and some of its neighbors present distinct challenges to our ability to advance our interests in the area of responsibility."

"Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples [in the region]," Petraeus said.
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His comments follow a week of tense relations between Israel and the U.S. following Israel's announcement of plans to build 1,600 housing units in East Jerusalem, which was made public while U.S. Vice President Joe Biden was visiting the country.

On Sunday, another prominent member of Barak Obama's government, chief political adviser David Axelrod, said ending the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was imperative for U.S. security.

Speaking on Israel's announcement about building in East Jerusalem, Axelrod hinted that it was a deliberate attempt to thwart indirect talks with the Palestinians.

"It was an insult, but that's not the most important thing," Axelrod added, saying that the move was disruptive to upcoming proximity talks with the Palestinians and that the approval during Biden's visit "seemed calculated to undermine that, and that was - that was distressing to everyone who is promoting the idea of peace and security in the region."

Responding to the possibility that Israel's move could have any effect on U.S. soldiers in the region, Axelrod said that he believed "that that region and that issue is a flare point throughout the region, and so I'm not going to put it in those terms."

However, the top Obama aide added that he did "believe that it is absolutely imperative, not just for the security of Israel and the Palestinian people, who were, remember, at war just a year ago, but it is important for our own security that we move forward and resolve this very difficult issue."

Axelrod said that the bond between Israel and the United States was "strong," but adding that "for just that very reason, this was not the right way to behave."

We are not talking about Biden BUT General Petraeus who HAS said that Israel is causing U.S. troops to be killed by angering the muslim world


ACTUALLY HE DIDN'T   



 Biden didn't say it

Remember that ranting and raving Joe Biden tantrum last Tuesday in which Biden allegedly said that Israeli actions in approving 1,600 housing units in Jerusalem's Ramat Shlomo neighborhood was endangering American troops? Remember the follow-up claim that the comments were based on a briefing by a CENTCOM team dispatched by General David Petraeus that said that US standing in the Arab world was being eroded by the perception that the US cannot bring Israel into line? Well, Jeffrey Goldberg reports that the claims about what Biden said were a lie.

    Since I do not have overwhelming faith in the stenographic and interpretive skills of some Israeli reporters, I called the White House to ask if Biden actually said this. It would be quite something, of course, if he did. I spoke with a senior administration official last night who accompanied Biden on his trip to Israel, and he said that Biden did not say tell the Israelis that their actions were endangering American troops. Here is what the official told me:

        "The assertion I read in the newspaper suggested that the Vice President said something to the effect that Israeli actions are endangering American soldiers. He never said that, and there's no basis to assert that he did. It's nothing he said and I don't know how it was inferred.

        What he did say in a meeting with the prime minister and his senior advisers and his own team was that the U.S. is doing a number of things in our national security interest, and in Israel's national security interest, and they include a strong effort to build a coalition against Iran's nuclear program; deploying 200,000 troops in conflict areas in the region; standing against efforts to delegitimize Israel in various international bodies, sometimes virtually alone; acting decisively against terrorists in very significant ways; and building probably the strongest defense cooperation relationship with Israel that we've seen, including on missile defense. And he said that the extent to which Israel aggressively pursues peace makes these efforts easier."

Sounds like an Emily Latella moment, doesn't it?

Jeffrey's too kind for attributing this to Israeli reporters' 'stenographic skills.' The story first appeared in Yediot Aharonot, Israel's second most Leftist newspaper. I'd love to know whether the reporter lied on purpose. It wouldn't be all that surprising. In this country, the mainstream media has a hard time separating fact from opinion.

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IT'S ABOUT 10TH ARTICLE DOWN
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/
      Remember that ranting and raving Joe Biden tantrum last Tuesday in which Biden allegedly said that Israeli actions in approving 1,600 housing units in Jerusalem's Ramat Shlomo neighborhood was endangering American troops? Remember the follow-up claim that the comments were based on a briefing by a CENTCOM team dispatched by General David Petraeus that said that US standing in the Arab world was being eroded by the perception that the US cannot bring Israel into line? Well, Jeffrey Goldberg reports that the claims about what Biden said were a lie.
         

JEFFREY GOLDBERG WHO IS LEFT OF CENTER AND WRITES FOR THE ATLANTIC I THINK IS A MUCH BEYYER SOURCE THEN HA'ARETZ    HERES THE FULL ARTICLE


http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/03/did-joe-biden-say-what-people-think-he-said/37534/
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Re: U.S. General Blames Israel for Death of U.S. Troops
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2010, 07:08:20 AM »
Regardless from Gen.Petraeus mouth      http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2010/03/petraeus-is-not-anti-israel.html#links   










Friday, March 19, 2010
Petraeus is not anti-Israel

Max Boot quotes General David Petraeus' own words to refute what has become a Leftist meme this week. The meme is that Petraeus blames Israel for exposing American troops to danger. The meme is a lie.

    The only time Israel came up was when Senator McCain asked Petraeus for his views. Here is what Petraeus said, in its entirety:

        We keep a very close eye on what goes on there [in Israel and the West Bank and Gaza Strip], because of the impact that it has, obviously, on that part of CENTCOM that is the Arab world, if you will. And in fact, we’ve urged at various times that this is a critical component. It’s one reason, again, we invite Senator Mitchell to brief all of the different conferences that we host, and seek to support him in any way that we can when he’s in the Central Command part of the region, just as we support Lieutenant General Dayton, who is supporting the training of the Palestinian security forces from a location that is in the CENTCOM AOR as well.

        And in fact, although some staff members have, various times, and I have discussed and — you know, asking for the Palestinian territories or something like that to be added to — we have never — I have never made that a formal recommendation for the Unified Command Plan, and that was not in what I submitted this year. Nor have I sent a memo to the White House on any of this — which some of this was in the press, so I welcome the opportunity to point that out.

        Again, clearly, the tensions, the issues and so forth have an enormous effect. They set the strategic context within which we operate in the Central Command area of responsibility. My thrust has generally been, literally, just to say — to encourage that process that can indeed get that recognition that you talked about, and indeed get a sense of progress moving forward in the overall peace process, because of the effect that it has on particularly what I think you would term the moderate governments in our area. And that really is about the extent of our involvement in that, Senator.

    So there you have it. General Petraeus obviously doesn’t see the Israeli-Arab “peace process” as a top issue for his command, because he didn’t even raise it in his opening statement. When he was pressed on it, he made a fairly anodyne statement about the need to encourage negotiations to help moderate Arab regimes. That’s it. He didn’t say that all settlements had to be stopped or that Israel is to blame for the lack of progress in negotiations. And he definitely didn’t say that the administration should engineer a crisis in Israeli-U.S. relations in order to end the construction of new housing for Jews in East Jerusalem. In fact, his view, as I mentioned in my earlier post, is that settlements are only “one of many issues, among which also is the unwillingness to recognize Israel and the unwillingness to confront the extremists who threaten Israelis.”

And he doesn't seem to favor replacing Mitchell either. So much for that claim.

The origin of the Petraeus story was a YNet column in Hebrew that was reproduced by Laura Rozen. See what you get by listening to the Leftist Israeli media
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Re: U.S. General Blames Israel for Death of U.S. Troops
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2010, 07:29:56 AM »
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/136575

Lie in Report on Petraeus: a Case Study of Anti-Israeli Agenda
 
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu


(IsraelNN.com) Incorrect reports in Israel’s largest newspaper and the well known Foreign Policy publication in the United States this week illustrate how the Arab world manipulates the United States to gain concessions and place the world’s ills on Israel’s shoulders. This time their target was also American public opinion.

Foreign Policy’s correspondent Mark Perry, a former advisor to Yasser Arafat, added his own spin to statements by U.S.CENTOM Commander General David Petraeus', in an article called: The Petraeus Briefing; Biden's Embarrassment is not the Whole Story, so that the General's statements seemed to blame Israel for casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan. But the general never said that. 

Perry began by quoting Israel’s decidedly leftist Yediot Acharonot, which wrote that U.S. Vice President Joe Biden “reportedly” told Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu last week, “What you're doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan."  But White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said that Vice President Biden never told or hinted to Israeli leaders that Jewish development in Judea and Samaria endangers the lives of U.S. soldiers.

Perry, who has a long record of anti-Israeli bias and has written a book promoting “engagement “ with terrorists,”  wrote that General Petraeus’ briefed Chief of Staff General Mullen and sent a report to the White House in which he claimed  that “there was a growing perception among Arab leaders that the U.S. was incapable of standing up to Israel, that CENTCOM's mostly Arab constituency was losing faith in American promises [and] that Israeli intransigence on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was jeopardizing U.S. standing in the region” and putting U.S. soldiers in danger.

Petraeus did tell the Senate Armed Services Committee that "clearly the tensions in these [Israeli-Arab] issues have an enormous effect on the strategic context in which we operate in Central Command area of responsibility” but he made no mention or hint that Israel’s activities could endanger American soldiers.

Perry wrote that Petraeus’ briefing “hit the White House like a bombshell.” The report not only never reached the White House, it also was equally disbelieved by others, including Israel National News.com (INN) and Commentary’s Max Boot.

INN noted that it is unlikely that General Petraeus connected Israeli actions to U.S  casualties as that makes no sense. This is a war in which Islamist terrorists fueled by virulent hatred of the U.S., its democracy and civilization are killing American soldiers. Israel is not the issue. Fear of these terrorists taking over their governments is what made the Arab despots in CENTCOM's constituency join forces with it, but they don't admit that and instead exploit the fact that the U.S. wants a broad alliance to pressure America on Israel. Their unspoken fear that the U.S. won't attack Iran in time is what is making them lose faith in its promises.

Perry’s report was “incorrect,” wrote Boot, who quoted a military officer familiar with the briefing in question and with Petraeus’ thinking.

“All that happened.” the officer told Boot, “is that there was a staff-officer briefing … on the situation in the West Bank, because that situation is a concern that CENTCOM hears in the Arab world all the time. Nothing more than that.”

Perry also wrote that Petraeus asked the White House to include Judea, Samaria and Gaza as part of his command because, in Perry’s words, “with U.S. troops deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. military (has) to be perceived by Arab leaders as engaged in the region's most troublesome conflict". The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), a Washington, D.C.-based non-profit think-tank focusing on issues of United States and Israeli national security, whom INN contacted, called that request “perfectly reasonable."

“[However], to blame Israel for Arab anxieties over the American withdrawal from the fight against the nuclear weaponization of Iran is a lie promulgated by people in the administration who have a fundamental agenda that includes breaking the longstanding U.S.-Israel relationship  and/or  don't want to acknowledge their impotence against Iran.”

Perry’s report was enough to set off scares across the web as Americans read that Israel is the source of America’s military casualties.

Those alleged statements were a classic follow-up to the Arab world’s efforts for the last 60 years to place the blame on Israel for all the world’s ills, most recently for the 9/11 attacks and the Iranian nuclear threat.

Judging by the stunned reaction of Americans on the web, Perry’s and Yediot’s reports were successfully damaging – that is, until it became clear that the reports were not accurate. Regarding his alleged report to the White House, Gen. Petraeus told the Senate Armed Services Committee Tuesday, “I have discussed, and you know, asking for the Palestinian territories or something like that to be added ... [but] I have never made that a formal recommendation for the Unified Command Plan, and that was not in what I submitted this year. Nor have I sent a memo to the White House on any of this."

Perry’s report of Petraeus’ alleged remarks to Chief of Staff Mullen is "simply wrong, according to a senior Middle East advisor quoted by Shoshana Bryen, senior director of JINSA. She told Israel National News, “We spoke with two American military officers who have spoken more than once with both Petraeus and Mullen and they both said Petraeus has given numerous lectures and papers - and Israel is never mentioned. The primary concern of both Mullen and Petraeus is Pakistan and the shaky civilian leadership there… I would have been shocked to think that with two wars ongoing, they would have time to worry about a sliver of terrorist supporting territory.”

Perry claimed that the fact that American military’s did not deny his story is proof that it is correct, but Bryen explained, “There won't be any American military people who will talk about this for the record.  Since it appears that the article was incorrect no one will want to characterize either Petraeus or Mullen or their thoughts.”

“In our experience, there are three half-truths and an enormous, vicious lie in the post by Perry. What the Arab countries of CENTCOM often call ‘the Israel problem’ is a foil for their unwillingness to risk their internal stability by being seen as an overt U.S. ally or by confronting Iran. True also is the notion that, according to the Arab states, ‘America (is) not only viewed as weak, but its military posture in the region (is) eroding.’ The ‘half’ in the truths is what they leave out: Israel is not the object of their concern [about military posture and weakness]; Iran is.”


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Re: U.S. General Blames Israel for Death of U.S. Troops
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2010, 02:38:08 PM »


Here is General Petraeus's written testimony from the horse's MOUTH!!!

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Insufficient progress toward a comprehensive Middle East peace. The enduring hostilities between Israel and some of its neighbors present distinct challenges to our ability to advance our interests in the AOR. Israeli-Palestinian tensions often flare into violence and large-scale armed confrontations. The conflict foments anti-American sentiment, due to a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel. Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples in the AOR and weakens the legitimacy of moderate regimes in the Arab world. Meanwhile, al-Qaeda and other militant groups exploit that anger to mobilize support. The conflict also gives Iran influence in the Arab world through its clients, Lebanese Hizballah and Hamas.

http://armed-services.senate.gov/statemnt/2010/03%20March/Petraeus%2003-16-10.pdf pg 12
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Here is General Petraeus's written testimony from the horse's MOUTH!!!

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Insufficient progress toward a comprehensive Middle East peace. The enduring hostilities between Israel and some of its neighbors present distinct challenges to our ability to advance our interests in the AOR. Israeli-Palestinian tensions often flare into violence and large-scale armed confrontations. The conflict foments anti-American sentiment, due to a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel. Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples in the AOR and weakens the legitimacy of moderate regimes in the Arab world. Meanwhile, al-Qaeda and other militant groups exploit that anger to mobilize support. The conflict also gives Iran influence in the Arab world through its clients, Lebanese Hizballah and Hamas.

http://armed-services.senate.gov/statemnt/2010/03%20March/Petraeus%2003-16-10.pdf pg 12
You start out by saying Gen.Petraeus was blaming Israel for American deaths .That was spread Mark Perry  a P.L.O agent in Washington who resembles a little luau pig minus the apple in his mouth.Now all of a sudden it's 1 point  in 12 point list that Qurananimals in GEN Petraeus  own words the quranswine  Perceive Well thats hardly Israel a U.S. Gen blaming Israel for U.S. deaths
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