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Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« on: March 17, 2010, 06:28:40 PM »
So I was having some debates with people on paltalk in the middle east section and some are stating that Hebrew is a Canaanite dialect, is this true? Paleohebrew does look pretty similar to Phoenician.

Wikipedia has Hebrew listed as a Canaanite dialect but anyone can modify that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaanite_dialects

If this is the case, what caused the Hebrews to pick up Canaanite dialect and what was the language spoken before this?

What's also strange is if Hebrew is a Canaanite dialect and the Palestinians And Lebanese claim to be the descendants of Canaanites, why do they not speak a Canaanite dialect and speak Arabic?

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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2010, 07:00:12 PM »
So I was having some debates with people on paltalk in the middle east section and some are stating that Hebrew is a Canaanite dialect, is this true? Paleohebrew does look pretty similar to Phoenician.

Wikipedia has Hebrew listed as a Canaanite dialect but anyone can modify that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaanite_dialects

If this is the case, what caused the Hebrews to pick up Canaanite dialect and what was the language spoken before this?

What's also strange is if Hebrew is a Canaanite dialect and the Palestinians And Lebanese claim to be the descendants of Canaanites, why do they not speak a Canaanite dialect and speak Arabic?

Interestingly, the entire field of linguistics and the entire understanding of Hebrew has been revolutionized by a recent finding of a Hebrew inscription dated to 10th century B.C.E. (First commonwealth, probably before the period of Bayit Rishon and during King David's reign), which pushes the origin of the Hebrew language back literally hundreds of years before the scholars previously thought.   Literally, ALL of the scholars were wrong about the age of Hebrew language.   And dating a pottery inscription to 10th century B.C.E. means the language is even older than that because it had to be existing as a sophisticated and known system earlier to produce this finding where this person (who owned the pottery) knew the language and expressed it as such.

So, any research that does not take into account this new reality (As of January 2010), cannot be relied upon.

This is a must-read for any person of faith (and really any person, especially any Jew).
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100107183037.htm

It also proves that the Kingdom of Israel existed at that time, which scholars also doubted.

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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2010, 11:27:15 PM »
A lot of secular scholars are doing everything they can to discredit the Exodus story and say that the Jews never had their heroic victories of the Bible. Their motivation is not true scientific inquiry but hatred of the Bible and hatred of Jewish people.

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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2010, 11:39:44 PM »
A lot of secular scholars are doing everything they can to discredit the Exodus story and say that the Jews never had their heroic victories of the Bible. Their motivation is not true scientific inquiry but hatred of the Bible and hatred of Jewish people.

There is no way that they can effect the emunah of the Jewish people. There is enough scientific and archeological evidence of much of the Torah to satisfy the nefesh behami {animal soul}. There will never be any evidence of the Exodus and I really don't care whether there is or not. The Torah itself says that the Israelites ate Man from heaven, did not need to go to the bathroom, their clothes did not wear out, nor did their shoes. I would not expect any artifacts to prove that they spent 40 years in the desert.

There is ample historic evidence of the two Temples.

Much of science is a sham these days. Every study seems to have political implications. Because of the human yetzer hara we invent things to believe which will soothe our guilty feelings for abandoning Hashem.

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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2010, 11:42:34 PM »
http://www.aish.com/jw/j/48961251.html

The world of archeology is rocked by evidence of King David's palace unearthed in Jerusalem.


How Jewish is Jerusalem?

You might think that's a silly question, but in the world of academia, revisionist history and even biblical archaeology, scholars have cast the shadow of doubt over Judaism's intrinsic connection to Jerusalem. The Moslem Waqf, the religious authority that administers the Temple Mount -- the site of Judaism's First and Second Temples -- has been claiming for years that there was never a temple there. But the idea that Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and Jerusalem its holy capital has been under attack from far more reputable sources in recent decades as well.

For a growing number of academics and intellectuals, King David and his united kingdom of Judah and Israel, which has served for 3,000 years as an integral symbol of the Jewish nation, is simply a piece of fiction. The biblical account of history has been dismissed as unreliable by a cadre of scholars, some of whom have an overtly political agenda, arguing that the traditional account was resurrected by the Zionists to justify dispossessing Palestinian Arabs. The most outspoken of these is Keith Whitelam of the Copenhagen School which promotes an agenda of "biblical minimalism," whose best-known work is The Invention of Ancient Israel: The Silencing of Palestinian History.

    Finkelstein claims that the myth of King David was the creation of a cult of priests trying to create for themselves a glorious history.

Even in Israel, this new school has found its voice. Israel Finkelstein, chairman of Tel Aviv University's Department of Archaeology, began championing a theory several years ago that the biblical accounts of Jerusalem as the seat of a powerful, unified monarchy under the rule of David and Solomon are essentially false. The scientific methods for his assumptions, called a "lower dating" which essentially pushes archaeological evidence into a later century and thus erases all evidence of a Davidic monarchy, were laughed off by traditional archaeologists. But his book, The Bible Unearthed, wound up on the New York Times' best-seller list and he became the darling of a sympathetic media. He concluded that David and Solomon, if they existed at all, were merely "hill-country chieftains" and Jerusalem a poor, small tribal village. He claims that the myth of King David was the creation of a cult of priests trying to create for themselves a glorious history.

Looking in the Wrong Place

But the debunkers of Jewish biblical history got some bad news recently, when a spunky, dedicated archaeologist began her latest dig. Dr. Eilat Mazar, world authority on Jerusalem's past, has taken King David out of the pages of the Bible and put him back into living history. Mazar's latest excavation in the City of David, in the southern shadow of the Temple Mount, has shaken up the archaeological world. For lying undisturbed for over 3,000 years is a massive building which Mazar believes is King David's palace.

For Mazar, 48, one of the world's leading authorities on the archaeology of ancient Jerusalem and head archaeologist of the Shalem Center Institute of Archaeology, the discovery was the culmination of years of effort and solid speculation. From the time she was a teenager, she had her nose in archaeology literature, and worked closely with her grandfather, renowned archaeologist Benjamin Mazar, who conducted the southern wall excavations next to the Western Wall. She holds a doctorate in archaeology from Hebrew University, is author of The Complete Guide to the Temple Mount Excavations, and in the 1970s and '80s worked on the digs supervised by Yigal Shilo in the City of David. The significant discoveries made then, including a huge wall called the "stepped-stone structure" -- which Shilo believed was a retaining wall for David's royal palace or part of the Jebusite fortress he conquered -- ignited Mazar to continue to look for the prize: David's palace itself.

Some biblical scholars gave up looking for the palace because, according to Mazar, they were looking in the wrong place. Scholars searched for remains of the palace within the walls of the ancient Jebusite city that David conquered and called Ir David (City of David). This city, while heavily fortified with both natural and man-made boundaries, was also very small, just nine acres in size. When no evidence of such a majestic palace as the Bible describes was found there, the next step was to claim that David's monarchy never really existed.

But Mazar always suspected that the palace was outside the original city, and cites the Bible to prove it. When the Philistines heard that David had been anointed, they went on the attack to apprehend him. This occurred after he conquered the Fortress of Zion, which was the actual nucleus of the city, and built his palace. The Bible says that David heard about it and "descended to the fortress," (2-Samuel 5:17), implying that he went down from his palace, which was higher up on the mountain than the citadel/city.

Mazar told Aish.com: "I always asked myself: Down from where? It must have been from his palace on top of the hill, outside the original Jebusite city."

Mazar says she was confident in her assessment of where the palace would be. What she discovered was a section of massive wall running about 100 feet from west to east along the length of the excavation (underneath what until this summer was the Ir David Visitors Center), and ending with a right-angle corner that turns south and implies a very large building.

[read more @ http://www.aish.com/jw/j/48961251.html ]
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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2010, 11:55:37 PM »
Muman not to be morbid or gross, but where does it say they didn't have bodily functions? If they ate and drank, well, it had to go somewhere right?

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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2010, 01:35:38 AM »
Muman not to be morbid or gross, but where does it say they didn't have bodily functions? If they ate and drank, well, it had to go somewhere right?

Let me find you the sources... But it is believed that man was absolutely 100% absorbed by the body leaving no waste material...



http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache%3Adg_RUH7vLhoJ%3Awww.Parasha.net%2Fpdf%2FShmos%2FBeshalach65.pdf+mann+bathroom&hl=en&gl=us

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From the Parasha of the manna, we clearly see that happiness has nothing to do with having things. What could be better than the manna? From a spiritual perspective, Chaza"l tell us it was the food of angels; it was the concretization of the aura of Divine Presence (Ziv haShechina). From a physical perspective,... imagine sitting down to a meal and wishing what you want and that is what it tastes like! Could there be anything better in the world than Manna? And .... there's no waste! We all know the problems that stem from the digestive system. With the Manna, there were no digestive problems.

But what did the Jewish People say? "...we are getting disgusted from this wasteless food" [Bamidbar 21:5]. Why don't we like it? Because there is no waste! We can't stand this manna! Why? Because we don't have to go to the bathroom!

Rav Pam says "If one doesn't like manna, he'll never like anything!" Manna is the proof that happiness has nothing to do with having things or having items. Happiness is dependent on a person's perspective on life. One can be terribly happy with very little and terribly miserable with very much.

Rav Pam, switching from Yiddish to English, quoted a quip he once heard: "Everyone looks for the City of Happiness, but they fail to realize that the City of Happiness is in the State of Mind". That is the lesson of the Manna you either learn to look at life positively (be a sameach b'chelko) or you'll never ever be happy.

http://www.torah.org/learning/ravfrand/5766/beshalach.html

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The Jews in this week's Parasha complain about the mann. This is repeated in Parashat BeHaloscha. "Mann for breakfast, mann for lunch, mann for supper, nothing but Mann! Oh for the good old days of Egypt!" In the middle of the description of the section of mann in BeHaloscha, the pasuk says "And the mann was like coriander seed and its color was like the color of b'dolach" [Bamidbar 11:7]. Rashi mentions that this pasuk is an editorial interjection. The pasukim before and after this interlude describe what the Jewish people were saying. Suddenly, in the middle of the discussion, the Torah comments: "And the mann was like coriander seed..."

Rashi explains: Come and let the world see what my children are complaining about. The mann is so special and so beautiful and yet they even complain about the mann. Mann was both a physical and a spiritual food. It tasted however the person wanted it to taste. It was a food that did not produce body waste. There was absolutely nothing wrong with it. It came at no cost; there was no effort in preparing meals. No mess, no fuss, low cholesterol, high fiber, non-fattening – anything one wanted! And nevertheless they complained about the mann.

These are the same people who could complain that they had mud on their shoes from the bottom of the Reed Sea. It is the same psychological phenomenon. Such people will never be happy. There are such people in the world.

http://www.torah.org/learning/beyond-pshat/5762/shlach.html

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The Gemara in Tractate Yomah tells us that the Mann was the physical manifestation of the food that sustained the angels. Ramban explains that the Radiance of Hashem sustains angels and thus the Mann was the materialized version of that Radiance. This is the reason why the Mann was absorbed directly and completely into the internal organs and did not generate waste because of it spiritual purity. Evidently the Jews needed to be spiritualized in order to comprehend and absorb the Torah and therefore Hashem provided them with the Mann as the means for them to gain that requisite spiritual capacity.
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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2010, 02:05:44 AM »
Thanks for the sources Muman. I find that belief really interesting.

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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2010, 04:59:41 AM »
Hi there. You see the reason is that when the Arab Muslims took over what is now called the Middle East, most of these current lands speak arabic because of what the Arabs did over there. Areas which now like Lebanon, and other places such as Syria, Iraq (Once called Mesopotamia), and even lands located in North Africa like Egypt use to have different langauges but became mostly Arabic when the Arab went to these places. Some such as Persians like in Iran for example managed to survive their language but others did not.


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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2010, 08:46:58 AM »
Plenty of fiber?  But that means they would have to poop.
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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2010, 01:13:21 PM »
The reason why there is no evidence of the exodus is that almost nothing from this far back is every preserved.   Thats the way nature works.



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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2010, 02:52:13 PM »
That didn't really answer my question on the language, did Hebrew come from Canaanite languages?

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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2010, 02:59:13 PM »
That didn't really answer my question on the language, did Hebrew come from Canaanite languages?

I don't know enough about linguistics to know for sure.  There is something about "protocanaanite" which all semitic languages may have come from according to some scholars, but as you can see with the example I showed, their evidence for dating languages isn't exactly on firm ground.    I've also heard of and read a few things about Ugaritic, but frankly I'm not convinced or sure about this subject.

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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2010, 03:00:21 PM »
That didn't really answer my question on the language, did Hebrew come from Canaanite languages?
Yes and I think the Talmudic scholars themselves acknowledge that Abraham and his hairs had adopted the language of Canaan. Also Phoenician is also a dialect or a close offshoot of Canaanite.

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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2010, 03:09:13 PM »
That didn't really answer my question on the language, did Hebrew come from Canaanite languages?
Yes and I think the Talmudic scholars themselves acknowledge that Abraham and his hairs had adopted the language of Canaan. Also Phoenician is also a dialect or a close offshoot of Canaanite.
Really?  Never heard of this but sounds interesting.  Please point me to a source if you have it, I'd like to look into that...

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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2010, 03:54:04 PM »
That didn't really answer my question on the language, did Hebrew come from Canaanite languages?
Yes and I think the Talmudic scholars themselves acknowledge that Abraham and his hairs had adopted the language of Canaan. Also Phoenician is also a dialect or a close offshoot of Canaanite.
Really?  Never heard of this but sounds interesting.  Please point me to a source if you have it, I'd like to look into that...
I think I am out of sources (I just remember hearing this claim but when I think of this, I probably came into it in school - secular school).

In ספר הכוזרי The book of Kuzari by Rabbi Yehuda Halevi, it is claimed that Hebrew is the holy tongue which God used to communicate to Adam and Eve and all the prophets that followed. It had been the universal language until the split of the nations in the days of Peleg פלג, ever since then it had been preserved by Eber עבר (thus the name עברית) and passed to his descendant Abraham who kept the knowledge Hebrew (hence he is called the Hebrew העברי), even though the language of Ur Kasdim was Aramaic.

Unfortunately, the Kuzari doesn't explain why and how the Canaanites came to speak a language that is closest to Hebrew to the point of being a dialect. Did Abraham taught them to speak this language ? What language did they speak before Abraham came to Canaan ?

I will try to look into this.

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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2010, 06:30:02 PM »
Here is a link to an academic text found online which I offer for the benefit of anyone wishing to read about Canaan in more depth.  I am not personally endorsing this text or the author's version of history which it offers.  That being said, it seems to offer a good beginning primer for anyone wanting to research the ancient Middle East as it existed during the time of our Patriarchs.  I learned a good deal from reading it.  Do bear in mind that it is an academic, as opposed to a spiritually based text, yet seems to support overall the history found in Torah.


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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2010, 06:44:07 PM »
Here is a link to an academic text found online which I offer for the benefit of anyone wishing to read about Canaan in more depth.  I am not personally endorsing this text or the author's version of history which it offers.  That being said, it seems to offer a good beginning primer for anyone wanting to research the ancient Middle East as it existed during the time of our Patriarchs.  I learned a good deal from reading it.  Do bear in mind that it is an academic, as opposed to a spiritually based text, yet seems to support overall the history found in Torah.


I'm definitely going to read that.

I'm curious, why don't you endorse it?

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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2010, 06:44:56 PM »
Here is a link to an academic text found online which I offer for the benefit of anyone wishing to read about Canaan in more depth.  I am not personally endorsing this text or the author's version of history which it offers.  That being said, it seems to offer a good beginning primer for anyone wanting to research the ancient Middle East as it existed during the time of our Patriarchs.  I learned a good deal from reading it.  Do bear in mind that it is an academic, as opposed to a spiritually based text, yet seems to support overall the history found in Torah.


I looked at that link and it certainly is not Jewish in nature... It uses the uneffable name and implies some things which I find objectionable.

Basically he is saying that Hebrew culture was a backward step from the Caananites:

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THE Hebrews entered a land with its own highly developed culture. During the Late Bronze and Early Iron Ages, Canaan was dotted with strong, walled, industrial and trade centers surrounded by orchards, vineyards, grain fields and pasture land. Wool and flax were woven and dyed with the rich purple obtained from the Murex shellfish. Wine, dried fruits, grain and milk products were also produced. Minerals from the Wadi Arabah were smelted and fashioned into ornaments, tools and weapons for sale and exchange. The rich lived in magnificent villas built around central courts; the poor dwelt in hovels massed together. Slaves captured in battle, and the poor who sold their families and themselves to meet debts, contributed to the power and wealth of the few.

Canaanite religion, a fertility or nature religion, reflected the major concerns of the populace — increase and productivity. Until recently, information about Canaanite belief was drawn largely from the negative statements in the Bible, but since 1928 new data has been forthcoming. While plowing a field, a farmer discovered a Canaanite necropolis at Ras es-Shamra in northern Syria at a point along the seacoast to which the "finger" of Cyprus appears to be pointing. Excavations began in 1929 under the direction of Claude F. A. Schaeffer of France and have continued since with only a brief interruption during World War II. The necropolis belonged to the ancient city of Ugarit, known to scholars from references in the El Amarna texts. The city was destroyed in the fourteenth century by an earthquake and then rebuilt, only to fall in the twelfth century to the hoards of Sea People. It was never rebuilt and was ultimately forgotten. One of the excavator's most exciting discoveries was a temple dedicated to the god Ba'al with a nearby scribal school containing numerous tablets relating the myths of Ba'al written in a Semitic dialect but in a cuneiform script never before encountered. The language was deciphered and the myths translated, providing many parallels to Canaanite practices condemned in the Bible and making it possible to suggest that the religion of Ba'al as practiced in Ugarit was very much like that of the Canaanites of Palestine.
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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2010, 06:45:32 PM »
And for further research into the ancient Middle East, focusing in particular on ancient Canaan and ancient Phoenicia*, here is another valuable source for study:


*I believe this website is the work of an actual descendant of the ancient Phoenicians who either lived, or still lives, in Lebanon.  Its historical basis, therefore, is not from a Jewish or Torah perspective, but from a modern Lebanese nationalist proud of his Phoenician heritage.  Therefore, read and use your own discernment to take from it what you judge to be of value; take the rest "with a grain of salt".  I recommend many of the links from this website for further study, with the same caveat offered.  The link showing a virtual ancient Phoenician temple is most interesting, and there are sound files of music as it was performed in ancient times. 

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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2010, 06:51:06 PM »
Muman, I already read that same passage, and it says nothing about what the Hebrew culture was, so how can it be saying it's a step down?  I think you read that into it.

It's merely describing what the canaanite culture consisted of because it's a study of the canaanites, not the Hebrews.  Did you think they lived without a culture?  (somehow?)

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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2010, 06:55:10 PM »
And for further research into the ancient Middle East, focusing in particular on ancient Canaan and ancient Phoenicia*, here is another valuable source for study:


I pretty sure I've been to this site before.  Very biased.


So what don't you like about Larue's site?  Anything to say?

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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2010, 06:56:00 PM »
Muman, I already read that same passage, and it says nothing about what the Hebrew culture was, so how can it be saying it's a step down?  I think you read that into it.

It's merely describing what the canaanite culture consisted of because it's a study of the canaanites, not the Hebrews.  Did you think they lived without a culture?  (somehow?)

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On the basis of archaeological study, it is surmised that three kinds of Hebrew settlements were developed.12 Villages were built on abandoned tells or in previously unoccupied areas. Where Canaanite cities had been destroyed, new dwellings were constructed amid the ruins. In some instances, by mutual agreement, Hebrews settled more or less peacefully among the Canaanites (Josh. 9:3-7). By comparison with Canaanite dwellings, Hebrew houses were poorly built. In new villages little attention was given to town planning and homes were constructed wherever the owner desired. Defensive walls were relatively weak and crudely composed, revealing limited mastery of structural engineering principles. Hebrew pottery, in contrast to well levigated, well fired Canaanite ware, appears quite poorly made. Some Hebrews ventured into Canaanite agricultural and commercial pursuits, others continued to raise flocks and herds (I Sam. 17:15, 34; 25:2). Despite efforts of a conservative element, fiercely loyal to old tribal ways, Canaanite cultural patterns were gradually assimilated. The unsettled nature of the times is revealed by the numerous destroyed layers from the thirteenth to eleventh centuries found in some excavations.
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Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2010, 07:18:45 PM »
Well now you quoted something different.

Maybe it's true.  We had the truth of G-d (and military prowess).  They had good building skills (and perhaps other materialistic skills) and evil beliefs/behaviors.  Not sure I see a problem there.  It's no contest.   

In any case, how does he know what are canaanite structures and what are Hebrew?  Archaeologists have a problem with their dating system and half the time they cannot even agree on when the Israelites showed up.

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Re: Is Hebrew a Canaanite dialect?
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2010, 07:23:42 PM »
Re:  "...why don't you endorse it?"

Answer:  I have read about five chapters of this text, which was authored some years ago and is on the required reading list of at least one American university course study.  To my knowledge, the professor/author is not a Jew, and is writing from a purely "academic" perspective; meaning that the scientific method must account for all of its research and conclusions.  Therefore, the conclusions offered and the research on which they are based are entirely the intellectual property of the author.  The scientific method is an ongoing process, as increasing archaeological discoveries (ex:  King David's Palace discovered this year) add clarification and perspective to what was previously known, and tend to eventually make obsolete today's "standard knowledge".  Personally, I have read the entire Torah.  I endorse it, and I accept it as the truthful and accurate history -- of both the Jewish people, as well as of the other nations and peoples of the ancient Middle East.  Only an in depth study of the written Torah, together with the oral Torah, can provide to the reader unparalleled insights into the life, customs, and culture of the entire ancient world, from the perspective of brilliant Torah true Jews who were eye witnesses to the historic periods in question.  The facts of history have been preserved for us unaltered, passed down generation to generation by the Jewish people.