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Israel used to manufacture automobiles, why not anymore?
« on: May 12, 2010, 08:14:48 PM »
I was reading about Israeli automobile industry and it's interesting to note that at one time Israel was actually a producer of automobiles at one time. Israel still produces some automobiles but they are mainly made for the military, I think GM outsourced them to make a certain Jeep at one time. Granted Israel was not known to produce cars have great cosmetics and there were rumors they were made out of materials that made camels eat them (despite camels not being all that common in Israel) but still proves what the Jews were capable of and what could have been a big industry had they stuck to it. I wonder why they stopped?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocars_Co.

Sabra (Autocars Co. Ltd.) (Hebrew: אוטוקרס‎) of Haifa, Israel, was founded in the 1950s as Israel's first car manufacturer (there was an earlier manufacturer who assembled American cars in Haifa bay, Kaiser Frazer). Among their popular models were the Sussita (סוסיתא), Carmel (כרמל) and Gilboa (גלבוע) (an effort to produce the Carmel in Greece by Attica had no success). They also assembled British Triumph cars from kits in the late 1960s (including at least the Triumph 1300). The company was bought by Rom Carmel Industries in 1974, after Autocars was placed in administration in 1971 and the owner, Mr. Yitzhak Shubinsky, was forced to resign. It was bought four years later by Urdan Industries. Their last full year of production was 1980.

Autocars Ltd made fiberglass-shelled cars that were made popular in Israel during the 1960s and 1970s, perhaps because government agencies were forced to buy them. This released onto the market thousands of low-priced second hand vehicles. Although their style and finish left something to be desired, Autocar's incorporation of Ford and Triumph engines made them reliable cars which kept their value for years. The manufacturing of these cars ceased during the 1980s, and Israel's only remaining car making industry today is AIL.

Autocars also produced a sports car derived from Reliant; the Sabra Sport.

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Autocars SabraThe name "Sabra" was chosen because it means both "born in Israel" and cactus (which was its logo) in Hebrew. In 1960, Yitzhak Shubinsky launched an Israeli-made car at the autoshow in New York. It was a very small, underpowered pick-up truck. At the show Shubinsky realized that it was a futile attempt, and set forth on a new project.

He bought the rights to use an Ashley body on a Leslie Ballamy chassis. He reached an agreement with Reliant (who had helped producing the "Carmel" and the "Sussita") to combine engine, body and chassis into a convertible sports-car. The engine was a Ford 1703 cc. Reliant was authorized to deliver the first 100 cars to the United States market.

In 1961, at the New York Autoshow, the first Sabras were introduced. Reliant produced the first 100 cars. Their VIN-plates read "AUTOCARS COMPANY LIMITED HAIFA ISRAEL", though they were actually made in the United Kingdom. The rest of the cars were produced in Israel, but only 41 of those were exported to the USA.

Between 1964–68, some 81 cars – a quarter of the Israeli production – were exported to Belgium. Production stopped with the Six Day War. Orders already placed were honoured, but delivery was delayed until 1968–69. Worldwide, over 100 Sabra cars are still traceable, over twenty of them in Belgium.

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A common Israeli myth stated that camels found the fibreglass used in the cars' body appetizing, and would often gnaw or eat away parts of the car, explaining why these cars are often seen with chunks missing from their exterior. The tiny population of camels still found in Israel in the 1960s could never explain this phenomenon, however.






Iran produces cars, why not Israel? I don't understand why they stopped.


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Re: Israel used to manufacture automobiles, why not anymore?
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2010, 03:24:49 AM »
There is no economic sense in manufacturing automobiles in Israel. We are a small and isolated market. The cars that used to be produced in Israel where sub-standard for their time; Even Israelis wouldn't buy them.

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Re: Israel used to manufacture automobiles, why not anymore?
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2010, 03:55:44 AM »
There is no economic sense in manufacturing automobiles in Israel. We are a small and isolated market. The cars that used to be produced in Israel where sub-standard for their time; Even Israelis wouldn't buy them.

From what countries is Israel purchasing cars?

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Re: Israel used to manufacture automobiles, why not anymore?
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2010, 04:38:21 AM »
There is no economic sense in manufacturing automobiles in Israel. We are a small and isolated market. The cars that used to be produced in Israel where sub-standard for their time; Even Israelis wouldn't buy them.

From what countries is Israel purchasing cars?
Japan, Korea, Europe, Turkey (Toyota and possibly some other brands), USA, and starting to import from China too.

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Re: Israel used to manufacture automobiles, why not anymore?
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2010, 12:09:01 PM »
There is no economic sense in manufacturing automobiles in Israel. We are a small and isolated market. The cars that used to be produced in Israel where sub-standard for their time; Even Israelis wouldn't buy them.

From what countries is Israel purchasing cars?
Japan, Korea, Europe, Turkey (Toyota and possibly some other brands), USA, and starting to import from China too.

So in the event Israel ends up boycotted and sanctioned, what's to stop it from becoming like Cuba where Israelis are driving around 50 year old cars because there is no automobile industry?

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Re: Israel used to manufacture automobiles, why not anymore?
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2010, 12:32:12 PM »
There is no economic sense in manufacturing automobiles in Israel. We are a small and isolated market. The cars that used to be produced in Israel where sub-standard for their time; Even Israelis wouldn't buy them.

From what countries is Israel purchasing cars?
Japan, Korea, Europe, Turkey (Toyota and possibly some other brands), USA, and starting to import from China too.

So in the event Israel ends up boycotted and sanctioned, what's to stop it from becoming like Cuba where Israelis are driving around 50 year old cars because there is no automobile industry?
But that is the case with many other commodities and merchandise. Including even more important then automobiles. For example we have to import grains, steel, and coal. 

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Re: Israel used to manufacture automobiles, why not anymore?
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2010, 12:43:01 PM »
There is no economic sense in manufacturing automobiles in Israel. We are a small and isolated market. The cars that used to be produced in Israel where sub-standard for their time; Even Israelis wouldn't buy them.

From what countries is Israel purchasing cars?
Japan, Korea, Europe, Turkey (Toyota and possibly some other brands), USA, and starting to import from China too.

So in the event Israel ends up boycotted and sanctioned, what's to stop it from becoming like Cuba where Israelis are driving around 50 year old cars because there is no automobile industry?
But that is the case with many other commodities and merchandise. Including even more important then automobiles. For example we have to import grains, steel, and coal. 

Is there no grain, steel or coal industry in Israel?

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Re: Israel used to manufacture automobiles, why not anymore?
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2010, 01:25:35 PM »
There is no economic sense in manufacturing automobiles in Israel. We are a small and isolated market. The cars that used to be produced in Israel where sub-standard for their time; Even Israelis wouldn't buy them.

From what countries is Israel purchasing cars?
Japan, Korea, Europe, Turkey (Toyota and possibly some other brands), USA, and starting to import from China too.

So in the event Israel ends up boycotted and sanctioned, what's to stop it from becoming like Cuba where Israelis are driving around 50 year old cars because there is no automobile industry?
But that is the case with many other commodities and merchandise. Including even more important then automobiles. For example we have to import grains, steel, and coal. 

Is there no grain, steel or coal industry in Israel?
We have no coal reserves but 50% of our electricity comes from coal fired power plants. There is a small steel industry and I think most of it is produced from recycled scrap metals. But imports are cheaper. Israel produce some grains (wheat, barley) but nowhere nearly enough to demand. We don't have the land and water resources to be agriculturally independent. 

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Re: Israel used to manufacture automobiles, why not anymore?
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2010, 07:01:54 PM »
There is no economic sense in manufacturing automobiles in Israel. We are a small and isolated market. The cars that used to be produced in Israel where sub-standard for their time; Even Israelis wouldn't buy them.

From what countries is Israel purchasing cars?
Japan, Korea, Europe, Turkey (Toyota and possibly some other brands), USA, and starting to import from China too.

So in the event Israel ends up boycotted and sanctioned, what's to stop it from becoming like Cuba where Israelis are driving around 50 year old cars because there is no automobile industry?
But that is the case with many other commodities and merchandise. Including even more important then automobiles. For example we have to import grains, steel, and coal. 

Is there no grain, steel or coal industry in Israel?
We have no coal reserves but 50% of our electricity comes from coal fired power plants. There is a small steel industry and I think most of it is produced from recycled scrap metals. But imports are cheaper. Israel produce some grains (wheat, barley) but nowhere nearly enough to demand. We don't have the land and water resources to be agriculturally independent. 

How do the other nations compare? (Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan), are they in a better position in terms of natural resources?

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Re: Israel used to manufacture automobiles, why not anymore?
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2010, 07:55:24 PM »
Most of the cars in the pictures have roots in companies in other countries. Kaiser Frazer was a car company here in America during the 40's and 50's. It looks like there are also some pictures of English cars in the post. It seems Israel was assembling cars rather then producing them. The car business today is not a good one to be in... There are far to many companies in the global picture already. If it were not for all the safety mandates imposed on the car industry cars today would actually be produced cheaper then they were in the past. The struggle for market share is just that great.
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