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muman613:
Talking about Jewish food...
Do you have a favorite Cholent recipe? I like a little spice in my cholent...
Ari Ben-Canaan:
--- Quote from: muman613 on June 15, 2010, 06:33:56 PM ---Talking about Jewish food...
Do you have a favorite Cholent recipe? I like a little spice in my cholent...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholent
I think I am going to have to try making some of that. 12-hour cooking time... I am beginning to see I like food prepared like this. I have a crockpot so I might as well use it. -- I too would be interested if anyone has a good recipe for this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jachnun
This is a breakfast item from Yemen. It takes 10 hours to bake overnight so it is ready for breakfast. Super delicious too. I got my dough ready to go from the kosher market.
My roommate, who is not Jewish or religious, has been a super sport about not turning off the stove tops and oven or messing with the intensity of the flames on Shabbat. I think I am going to switch to using a heat pad of stove top instead because there is less chance of burning up our apartment. A Rabbi I speak with from time to time said it also eats up less resources to use an electric hot plate vs. flame stove top which is a good mitzvah to keep the planet green.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Ariel Shayn on June 16, 2010, 02:15:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on June 15, 2010, 06:33:56 PM ---Talking about Jewish food...
Do you have a favorite Cholent recipe? I like a little spice in my cholent...
--- End quote ---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholent
I think I am going to have to try making some of that. 12-hour cooking time... I am beginning to see I like food prepared like this. I have a crockpot so I might as well use it. -- I too would be interested if anyone has a good recipe for this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jachnun
This is a breakfast item from Yemen. It takes 10 hours to bake overnight so it is ready for breakfast. Super delicious too. I got my dough ready to go from the kosher market.
My roommate, who is not Jewish or religious, has been a super sport about not turning off the stove tops and oven or messing with the intensity of the flames on Shabbat. I think I am going to switch to using a heat pad of stove top instead because there is less chance of burning up our apartment. A Rabbi I speak with from time to time said it also eats up less resources to use an electric hot plate vs. flame stove top which is a good mitzvah to keep the planet green.
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If he's not Jewish, can't he turn the flame off to save himself money? Would that be permitted?
Ari Ben-Canaan:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on June 17, 2010, 07:29:52 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ariel Shayn on June 16, 2010, 02:15:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on June 15, 2010, 06:33:56 PM ---Talking about Jewish food...
Do you have a favorite Cholent recipe? I like a little spice in my cholent...
--- End quote ---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholent
I think I am going to have to try making some of that. 12-hour cooking time... I am beginning to see I like food prepared like this. I have a crockpot so I might as well use it. -- I too would be interested if anyone has a good recipe for this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jachnun
This is a breakfast item from Yemen. It takes 10 hours to bake overnight so it is ready for breakfast. Super delicious too. I got my dough ready to go from the kosher market.
My roommate, who is not Jewish or religious, has been a super sport about not turning off the stove tops and oven or messing with the intensity of the flames on Shabbat. I think I am going to switch to using a heat pad of stove top instead because there is less chance of burning up our apartment. A Rabbi I speak with from time to time said it also eats up less resources to use an electric hot plate vs. flame stove top which is a good mitzvah to keep the planet green.
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If he's not Jewish, can't he turn the flame off to save himself money? Would that be permitted?
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I am not sure. I will ask this Rabbi the next time I see him, which should be in about a week [I attend some classes he teaches]. I think it would be okay if my roommate turned off the heat if I didn't request it to be done...? My roommate turned off the AC and back on with no suggestions from me, that was an occurrence I had nothing to do with [although I was glad because I was hot from all the extra cooking heat in the house!] so I was not the recipient of the direct benefit... I believe I am not supposed to get non-Jews to do stuff for me on Shabbat as a way of short cutting the system.
"I am going to walk away from the stove, and if someone happens to turn if off when my back is turned......"
I'm just trying this stuff out for the first time. It's been a progressive switch.
:)
muman613:
Actually a Shabbat Goy can do things for you under certain conditions...
For instance my ex-roommate used to like to mow the lawn on Shabbat... I did not ask him to do it then, but it was the time he wanted to do it, so he would mow the lawn on Shabbat. Also when our toilet overflowed one Shabbat I did not even need to ask him to repair it...
http://www.revach.net/ask/archives.php?cid=4&subcat=&page=40
--- Quote ---Halacha - Shabbos goy
Submitted by anonymous Answered by Rav Peretz Moncharsh
Question: I am quite confused about these halachos. I read in one place that you're not allowed to ask a goy to do anything you cannot do except under circumstances that do not apply to the regular kitcheny problems that arise. For instance: 1) If I've left the stove on too high (having forgotten to lower it before Shabbos) can I do anything and if so, can I go to my goyshe neighbour and say 'It's a pity the food will burn by the time we sit to have our meal?' (as a hint) I think I'm not allowed to say thank you. But thank you if you would enlighten me on this.
Answer:
It's very understandable why you are confused; amira l'akum is one of the most difficult parts of Hilchos Shabbos.
The rule you mentioned, not to ask a goy to do anything you may not do yourself is true. However, it is a general rule and has numerous exceptions. First of all hinting in the method you mentioned is permitted because you are not asking the goy to do anything. However, if you would phrase the hint in a way that is more direct such as "if you turn down the flame it would help me", it would be forbidden.
Additionally there is an issue deriving direct benefit from any melacha that was done for you on Shabbos even if done in a permitted fashion. So if you told your neighbor that the room is too dark to read in that would be a permitted hint, but when they turn on the light you would not be allowed to use it and may even have to leave the room. However, in the specific case you mentioned where you want the goy to prevent potential damage rather than create a benefit there is no problem.
I don't see any problem with saying thank you, and of course it's always important to maintain good, polite relations with all neighbors.
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