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HiWarp:

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--- Quote from: Rubystars on August 21, 2010, 10:24:55 PM ---In what ways are you a liberal?

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--- Quote from: KahanistLiberal on August 20, 2010, 01:49:37 PM ---i believe in lots of personal freedoms (legalizing certain drugs for example) , as well as some social programs (not too may)

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Can you be more specific. It's difficult for me to shoot down your liberal arguments without a more detailed description.  ;D

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hard to specify to much

well, i want the govnt to not ban things that dont harm anyone who isnt trying to be affected by it. basically stuff like legalization of drugs, allowing anyone to say anything in the media (as long as it doesn't specifically incite violence), this includes the right to blasphamy, as well as the right to say the N-word. i believe in allowing marrige between any 2 consenting adults. i believe law-abiding citizens should be allowed to arm themselves  with any weapon they can carry on there own. i believe that if administrative detention is necessary, it needs a time limit. basically personal freedom stuff like that

as far as social programs: i believe we need public education, i think that israel especially should invest into public education and make its schools be on par with the world's best private schools, this should encourage aliyah from people who think Israel's actions are immoral, since they would feel an obligation to there kids. i think we need to help people find jobs who otherwise can't find any, i think we should have a public health insurance system like israel has now. i also think that welfare should only be available to old people and people with disabilities. i dont want too much gov't involvement, but some is necessary.

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Based on your answers, I would probably consider you a more classical liberal than what is considered a liberal today. In fact, most leftists today would probably consider you right of center.

As far as government programs are concerned, I would have no problem with any government program under one condition; if it were optional where people that did not want to participate could opt out and there were other similar private sector services available. The moment a government service becomes mandatory, regardless of whether an individual even needs the service, it is destined to fail.

Rubystars:
Spitting in the face of G-d by supporting the government to openly condone homosexuality will bring a lot of punishment down from G-d to individuals who are pro gay marriage and to nations which promote this sickness. Why in the world would you think that this would do anything but destroy a nation? Do you want little children exposed to the sickness of being raised by men that kiss each other in a sensual way, etc.?

Meerkat:

--- Quote from: Rubystars on August 25, 2010, 07:45:25 AM ---Spitting in the face of G-d by supporting the government to openly condone homosexuality will bring a lot of punishment down from G-d to individuals who are pro gay marriage and to nations which promote this sickness. Why in the world would you think that this would do anything but destroy a nation? Do you want little children exposed to the sickness of being raised by men that kiss each other in a sensual way, etc.?

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i don't think its the government's place to do something solely based on religion. study's show that having gay parents has no direct effect on a child, but there are obvious indirect consequences, such as the fact that the kid will have to take sh*t from kids in school over having 2 dads, so gay adoptions should wait until people become more tolerant of gays.

muman613:

--- Quote from: KahanistLiberal on August 25, 2010, 11:43:29 AM ---
--- Quote from: Rubystars on August 25, 2010, 07:45:25 AM ---Spitting in the face of G-d by supporting the government to openly condone homosexuality will bring a lot of punishment down from G-d to individuals who are pro gay marriage and to nations which promote this sickness. Why in the world would you think that this would do anything but destroy a nation? Do you want little children exposed to the sickness of being raised by men that kiss each other in a sensual way, etc.?

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i don't think its the government's place to do something solely based on religion. study's show that having gay parents has no direct effect on a child, but there are obvious indirect consequences, such as the fact that the kid will have to take sh*t from kids in school over having 2 dads, so gay adoptions should wait until people become more tolerant of gays.

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This is defective thinking. Homosexuality is a sin, and it should not be an alternative lifestyle. Your position gives them support because you claim that there are no negative consequences. You do not know the consequences. I do not think, as you seem to, that the problem is that people are not tolerant of that sickness. I believe that allowing homosexual relationships will destroy the basic morality of the nation. Historically and biblically this has always been the case.

You will not find that many here will support a gay lifestyle. I am sorry to admit it KahaneLiberal, but I don't think your opinions will be very acceptable to many JTF members. How in the heck did you ever find yourself attracted to Rabbi Kahane, Z'tl... Are you aware that he was a very upright and righteous Orthodox Jewish rabbi? He would not consider homosexuality a lifestyle choice, much less something the state should recognize.

The very concept of a liberal kahanist makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end... It almost is like a paradox... There is nothing about Rabbi Kahanes ideology which could even in the slightest be considered liberal... Unless you consider evicting the Arab occupiers in Israel from the Jewish land to be a liberal position....

Lisa:
Liberal Kahanist, what drew you to JTF?  Have you read any of Rabbi Kahane's books, or seen videos of his speeches?  What aspects of Kahanism do you agree with?  What parts of it do you disagree with?  I'm very curious to know. 

Thanks.

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