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The Torah Allows Gentiles to Offer Particular Animal Sacrifices, Even Today

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edu:
Thank you Raulmarrio2000 for your important comments.
First of all, I agree with you that it is not an obligation for gentiles to offer sacrifices, however, if they do offer them correctly, they are doing good for themselves and good for the world.
If the Gentile is offering a sacrifice to G-d {as defined by the Torah}, I don't believe also enjoying re-living an ancient practice ruins the sacrifice. Of course, this like any other question, related on how to offer the sacrifice, one can  and should ask the experts, such as the Temple Institute.
Here is a link http://www.templeinstitute.org/contact.htm
The attitude you mentioned Raulmarrio2000
--- Quote ---since it's not an obligation for him, it's not worth taking the risk of making a mistake.
--- End quote ---
is also a viewpoint of some religious Jews.
However, another viewpoint found in the religious world, is that it's true, some actions are a little bit risky. But if it will help G-d to be recognized as king of all mankind and bring rectification to the world, "I'll take a reasonable amount of risk, because I love G-d and want to serve him in the best way".
These two viewpoints/attitudes are also found in the biblical book of Ruth. In chapter 4, a certain unidentified man is asked to redeem the parcel of land belonging to Elimelech. And because it is a good deed he initially agrees. But then when he finds out that in order to redeem the land he will also have to marry Ruth the Moabite convert, the unidentified man backs out, saying in verse 6: "I can not redeem it for myself, lest I harm my own inheritance".
Boaz on the other hand, studied the law well and he knew that it was permitted to marry Ruth the Moabite convert and he knew that it would help the kingdom of G-d and would help rectify the world if he married her.
Now how does the book of Ruth end. "and Boaz begot Oved and Oved begot Yishai and Yishai begot Dovid{David}." That is to say the king of Israel.

Kahane-Was-Right BT:

--- Quote from: edu on September 08, 2010, 12:43:04 AM ---If the Gentile is offering a sacrifice to G-d {as defined by the Torah}, I don't believe also enjoying re-living an ancient practice ruins the sacrifice. Of course, this like any other question, related on how to offer the sacrifice, one can  and should ask the experts, such as the Temple Institute.
Here is a link http://www.templeinstitute.org/contact.htm 
--- End quote ---

I agree with what you say here.  Every time a Jew does a mitzvah he is reliving an ancient practice, and getting excited over that surely doesn't take away from the mitzvah itself.  Would that all Jews were excited to perform their ancient practices.



--- Quote ---The attitude you mentioned Raulmarrio2000
--- Quote ---since it's not an obligation for him, it's not worth taking the risk of making a mistake.
--- End quote ---
is also a viewpoint of some religious Jews.
However, another viewpoint found in the religious world, is that it's true, some actions are a little bit risky. But if it will help G-d to be recognized as king of all mankind and bring rectification to the world, "I'll take a reasonable amount of risk, because I love G-d and want to serve him in the best way".
These two viewpoints/attitudes are also found in the biblical book of Ruth. In chapter 4, a certain unidentified man is asked to redeem the parcel of land belonging to Elimelech. And because it is a good deed he initially agrees. But then when he finds out that in order to redeem the land he will also have to marry Ruth the Moabite convert, the unidentified man backs out, saying in verse 6: "I can not redeem it for myself, lest I harm my own inheritance".
Boaz on the other hand, studied the law well and he knew that it was permitted to marry Ruth the Moabite convert and he knew that it would help the kingdom of G-d and would help rectify the world if he married her.
Now how does the book of Ruth end. "and Boaz begot Oved and Oved begot Yishai and Yishai begot Dovid{David}." That is to say the king of Israel.

--- End quote ---

Very sensible, and I agree with this too.   The inherent "risk" in an action will deter some people, to be sure, but there is no reason to believe that every individual MUST be deterred by risk - there are those who will not be compelled to refrain thus.   Such people (those who are not deterred) will be those who merit to rebuild the Temple.

edu:
I mentioned earlier on the question how could Malikizedek be one of the 4 craftsmen of the book of Zecharia chapter 2 verse 3, if he has already died.
There's several answers that one can give.
I will offer the 2 I like best.
1] The precedent of Malkitzedek will inspire Gentiles in the future to offer sacrifices that will advance the redemption process.
2] We find in Yechezkel/Ezekiel Chapter 37 verses 24 and 25 that Dovid/David in the future will have rulership in Israel.
You could ask the same question there too. How can he rule, he's already dead?
The simplest level is that the meaning is to someone else who has the same status and spiritual level as the original King Dovid/David.

muman613:
It is interesting that my contribution to this thread is in support of the idea that gentiles can bring sacrifices to Hashem...

During the Rosh Hashana service on Friday I was reading one of the piyyutim in the Machzor and it struck me that it was talking about this topic. I memorized the page # because I have a copy of the Artscroll Rosh Hashana Machzor on my library shelf here at home.

http://www.artscroll.com/Books/marl-a.html

On page 551 it reads:

Then all shall come to serve you
they shall bless Your glorious Name
and declare Your righteousness in far-flung lands
Peoples that knew You not will seek You out;
all ends of the earth will laud You
and always say, 'May Hashem be exalted'
(some add: To You they will slaughter their offerings.)
They will reject their idols,
be mortified with their statues,
and turn unanimously to You
Those who seek Your presence
will revere You as long as the sun exists;
they will recognize the power of Your sovereignty,
and teach understanding to those gone astray
...
..

cjd:
Proselytizing is proselytizing subtle or otherwise...edu most Gentiles are not going to offer animal sacrifices now or in any time to come....Its great that your here discussing Torah issues and posting some interesting links like the one for the temple institute ( a organization I happen to like) but some of the links are really questionable... Somehow or another I have not paid attention to the two threads you like to post in lets just say you have my interest now....I see I have a lot of reading to do this morning... To be continued...

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