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Increasing number of Gentiles adopted as children dropping their Jewish status
wonga66:
The 80% of Jews who never left Egypt & who died quietly in the Plague of Darkness were shown all of coming Jewish history: the wandering in the Wilderness for 40 years, the Destruction of both Temples; the massacres, rapine, torture, inquisition, auto da fes, repression, pogroms and Holocaust. And they said "That is too much for us. We want no part of such a Jewish history. We would rather die now!". And they did. Only 20% were prepared to accept the coming tragic & arduous Jewish history, & they left Egypt.
One wonders if we today were given a theoretical choice to relinquish Jewish status (which a born Jew and a bona fide ger cannot do), how many would take the choice: to go from being mediocre Jews to change to being "Good Noahides": no need for Tefillin, Kashrus, Shabbos, Niddah, Davening, Yom Tov, Tzitzits, discrimination, shaatnez, wars, etc and still get some (albeit massively reduced) Olam Habo!
I reckon that now, just as then, 80% of Jewish maaminim in the world would take a get out clause! I asked some yeshiva guys, and they said they would much much prefer to become good goyim at a moment's notice if they could!!
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: wonga66 on October 14, 2010, 09:24:29 PM ---The 80% of Jews who never left Egypt & who died quietly in the Plague of Darkness were shown all of coming Jewish history: the wandering in the Wilderness for 40 years, the Destruction of both Temples; the massacres, rapine, torture, inquisition, auto da fes, repression, pogroms and Holocaust. And they said "That is too much for us. We want no part of such a Jewish history. We would rather die now!". And they did. Only 20% were prepared to accept the coming tragic & arduous Jewish history, & they left Egypt.
One wonders if we today were given a theoretical choice to relinquish Jewish status (which a born Jew and a bona fide ger cannot do), how many would take the choice: to go from being mediocre Jews to change to being "Good Noahides": no need for Tefillin, Kashrus, Shabbos, Niddah, Davening, Yom Tov, Tzitzits, discrimination wars, etc and still get an Olam Habo!
I reckon that now, just as then, 80% of Jewish maaminim in the world would take a get out clause! I asked some yeshiva guys, and they said they would much much prefer to become good goyim at a moment's notice if they could!!
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So how do they say that bracha every morning? They skip it or they lie to themselves and God? That should have been your follow-up question.
wonga66:
If you were suddenly told that you were in fact an adopted gentile child, & that you have an option to remain an Orthodox Jew, with all that that entails, or revert to being a good Noahide ie suddenly able to enjoy a vastly easier & relaxed life style, whilst still believing in Torah and Hashem, and still getting an Olam Habo, what would you say to the Beth Din?!
I personally know 8 such cases, including 3 top 20-year old yeshivah fellows, and have heard of another 10; and in every case, they happily and voluntarily relinquish their Jewish status!
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: wonga66 on October 14, 2010, 09:38:24 PM ---If you were suddenly told that you were in fact an adopted gentile child, & that you have an option to remain an Orthodox Jew, with all that that entails, or revert to being a good Noahide ie suddenly able to enjoy a vastly easier & relaxed life style, whilst still believing in Torah and Hashem, and still getting an Olam Habo, what would you say to the Beth Din?!
I personally know 8 such cases, including 3 top 20-year old yeshivah fellows, and have heard of another 10; and in every case, they happily and voluntarily relinquish their Jewish status!
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So you have confirmed my initial suspicion that this was anecdotal experience being used to describe dishonestly a supposed cultural trend.
It's really not a concern when someone is actually Jewish. It only becomes relevant if faced with that choice. And there is nothing to blame any individual for whichever choice he makes. If God made him a gentile, he's a gentile and that's that. If he wants to be Jewish it's his choice.
wonga66:
Gentile children being adopted and becoming Jews used to be a rarity.
But with infertility a major problem, there are not a few Jewish couples adopting gentiles, staring about 25 years ago. In every case I've heard, the child has relinquished his Jewish status or his mitzva observance once informed of his origins. A top rabbi is going round the world giving a shiur on this phenomenon, which of course dismays not a few people.
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