Barry Chamish joins the KKNY

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Re:  "ut you already said above that the US never declared war on them.  So that law hasn't been violated. "

We hung an entire major world power's government after putting them on trial for "War Crimes" just sixty years ago for doing exactly what we have been doing for the past eight years, which is staging an invasion of a sovereign state under false pretenses, and waging war against a civilian population, and using torture.

Shows just how little you know.

Speaking of knowing little, if you refer to the Nuremberg Trials, there were 10 nazis hanged.  Ten.  So the claim that "we" hung an entire world power's government is false.  Btw, that was not unilateral on "our" part.  

And certainly you don't claim that Germany "staged an invasion of a foreign state under false pretenses" ?  It would seem to me their pretense was openly stated - desire for conquest.   As if this was the reason for Nuremberg?   The abuses against civilian populations and attempted exterminations of entire groups of people were surely at the heart of those insufficient international justice measures.  These of course do not compare with Afghanistan and Iraq, as much as I have personal distaste for pointless regime-change ventures.

Your soliloquy seems to obscure the heart of this matter.   Constitutional law, as far as I know, does NOT require a formal declaration of war as a prerequisite to conducting any overseas military venture or operation.  Therefore, as much as one might dislike the policy, I don't see that there is illegality involved or that the constitution has been discarded, chas veshalom.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Re: "Doesn't every criminal claim innocence?   So why is that gospel for you in this case? "

Because every person arrested or charged in the U.S.A. IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW!

Or were you just so obsessed with your own BS that you managed to miss that part of your schooling?

LOL!   This is ridiculous.   You are conflating different things.

There is a big difference between saying a person is "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law," (which is true) and saying that "Therefore the govt/police/law enforcement is always at fault and breaking the law for arresting or investigating suspects before a trial has been given to prove their guilt."

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "LOL!   This is ridiculous."

Yeah.

We'll see how ridiculous you think it is when the man ramrods your front door in at 4am, tazers you when you jump out of bed to see what the hell's going on, shoots your pet dog dead right in front of you, and then carries off your computer, your CD's, your DVD's, your books, along with anything else they see laying around, charge you with "being an accessory to terror and sedition" and "possession of controlled substances" (which they just planted on you while you're tied up sitting on the floor in the corner), take you downtown and book you, and throw you in a cage full of seven rapacious [censored] who love Farakhan.
The next day when your lawyer comes and bails you out, you'll turn on the car radio and hear  "Terror Task Force Arrests follower of Racist Rabbi supporting illegal settlers!"
Case closed.
Guilty when charged.
The whole city will be walking around buzzing about 'Did'ya hear about that Jewish Terrorist they arrested last night?"
"The TV said he was aiding a movement to commit genocide against the Muslims!"
"Had all kinds of drugs!"..."Probably dealing to support the terrorists!"
"A known Obama-hater!"
"Probably in the Tea Party!"
"See!" ... "Just goes to show that not all Terrorists are Muslims!"

Couldn't happen to you, right?

[muman613]

Re:  "LOL!   This is ridiculous."

Yeah.

We'll see how ridiculous you think it is when the man ramrods your front door in at 4am, tazers you when you jump out of bed to see what the hell's going on, shoots your pet dog dead right in front of you, and then carries off your computer, your CD's, your DVD's, your books, along with anything else they see laying around, charge you with "being an accessory to terror and sedition" and "possession of controlled substances" (which they just planted on you while you're tied up sitting on the floor in the corner), take you downtown and book you, and throw you in a cage full of seven rapacious [censored] who love Farakhan.
The next day when your lawyer comes and bails you out, you'll turn on the car radio and hear  "Terror Task Force Arrests follower of Racist Rabbi supporting illegal settlers!"
Case closed.
Guilty when charged.
The whole city will be walking around buzzing about 'Did'ya hear about that Jewish Terrorist they arrested last night?"
"The TV said he was aiding a movement to commit genocide against the Muslims!"
"Had all kinds of drugs!"..."Probably dealing to support the terrorists!"
"A known Obama-hater!"
"Probably in the Tea Party!"
"See!" ... "Just goes to show that not all Terrorists are Muslims!"

Couldn't happen to you, right?

Yes, to me this sounds like needless worrying.

I know some people who worry like this and there are medical solutions to help. I am not suggesting you need them though.

I doubt that anyone here is really involved in anything illegal. And ones opinions on topics like the Jewish state of Israel cannot be used against you in a court of law.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "Yes, to me this sounds like needless worrying. "

Well then, you're simply clueless, muman613!

[MassuhDGoodName]

Kahane-Was-Right BT,

What you think you know won't even fill a thimble.

Now go flag some videos and make yourself useful.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "I know some people who worry like this and there are medical solutions to help. I am not suggesting you need them though. "

Yeah.

And I know some people who thought that anyone who thought like this was needlessly worrying and needed medical help, and then one night the man broke down their door with a sledgehammer at 4am in the morning, shot their dog right in front of them, arrested them and charged them with something they never did, and then they went to Federal Prison for many years.

You're unbelievably clueless and naive.

"ones opinions on topics like the Jewish state of Israel cannot be used against you in a court of law."

Oh really?

Well then you better tell it to all those ragheads who ran The Holy Land Foundation in Texas for years and years all legal and fine, hosted Republican candidates at gala dinners who gave them plaques and honors, and then, literally overnight, the Federal Government declared them a Terrorist Front Group, and promptly arrested, imprisoned, and deported their leaders and supporters.

And, but the way, their opinions on topics like the Jewish State of Israel WERE INDEED used against them in court.

The State Department also supported Fidel Castro early on, and then suddenly overnight declared him a Communist enemy.\

You know nothing of politics and how serious a game you are playing with your life.

You think this whole Kahanist business is just some kind of B'nai Brith fundraiser?

You and others here had better wise up.

[Ari Ben-Canaan]

Wasn't the Holy Land Foundation raising money for Hamas?

[IsraelForever]

We hung an entire major world power's government after putting them on trial for "War Crimes" just sixty years ago for doing exactly what we have been doing for the past eight years, which is staging an invasion of a sovereign state under false pretenses, and waging war against a civilian population, and using torture.

Oy vey iz mir!!  OMG!!

Are you comparing the United States (or the Bush Administration) with Nazi Germany??

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "Are you comparing the United States (or the Bush Administration) with Nazi Germany? "

MORON - I am comparing the RECENT ACTIONS of the Bush Administration, continuing with the Obama Adminstration, and the willingness of the ignorant, uneducated, and apathetic American public to "go along with it" - [cheering as their Constitution was shredded and all of their Rights destroyed in the name of "national security"] - ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE ACTIONS OF THE REICH DURING THE YEARS IN WHICH GERMANY INVADED POLAND.

If you're so stupid that your hate for Arabs is stronger than any allegiance you might have to America, our Constitution, and our Bill of Rights, then I charge you as being equally responsible.

So take your whiny wimp brainwashed self back to someplace like Czarist Russia where you're more comfortable living in fear, and while you're at it try learning to read a simple statement of fact without interjecting your own confused emotional mental state into it.

You're just like so many who haven't even the slightest idea what freedom and liberty and rights even mean, let alone how such ideas came into being, let alone what is required to keep them.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Ari Shayn:  "Wasn't the Holy Land Foundation raising money for Hamas? "

Gee....I don't know, Ari Shayn!

Weren't they merely a humanitarian charity sending money back to Arabs in Gaza for health care and educational purposes for many, many years, backed and praised by Republican candidates and the Governor of Texas, including George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush?

Of course! -

Why, that's what they were!

Operating for years right out in the open as a registered non-profit Charity!

That is ... until Washington had reason to believe they were operating AGAINST newly stated U.S. foreign policy directives.

Didn't Sami al-Aryan have the entire W Bush family down to Florida to celebrate his children's graduation?

And didn't this same Sami al-Aryan contribute heavily to W's campaigns, including rounding up other Arabs here to vote for him and other Republicans?

Why sure!  Dr. al-Aryan was merely a highly respected PhD University Professor as well as a respectable and law abiding American citizen, well known for supporting the GOP and other conservative causes.  Oh! ... OK ... So he wasn't very much for Israel - even being somewhat strongly opinionated about his views, but that was his right as an American!  Everyone has the right to their opinions in America, as well as the right to contribute to legally registered non-profit charitable organizations.  The distinguished Professor never took up arms or joined the PLO or Hamas.  He was a normal family man in south Florida, with a beautiful family, and personal friends with the Bush family - not so much different than the prominent Jewish Americans who contribute to Likud, hosted fund raisers for Ariel Sharon in NY City and Miami, and were highly opinionated about Israel's Arab neighbors.

My point:  In the world of politics, someone's best friend and ally today, can overnight become public enemy #1 of the entire world.  For many years the U.S.A. viewed the State of Israel as the outnumbered, victimized, morally in the right survivors of horror which miraculously defeated all Arab aggressor states which were still at that time harboring escaped Nazi War Criminals, were formally allied with and armed by The Soviet Union, and were daily committing outright acts of war and terrorism against the Jewish population within the pre-67 borders.  The U.S.A. as matter of policy considered Israel's re-conquest of all Jewish ancestral places including Jerusalem, Judaea, Samaria and Gaza as miraculous and a great help in having a bulwark against the spread of Soviet influence.  At that time, the Soviet Union's stated position was that Israel was an aggressor state, that Zionism was Racism, and that Zionism was nothing more than an excuse to colonize the entire Middle East on behalf of the U.S. and the U.K.  After Israel's victory in the 67 War, The USSR demanded daily that Israel withdraw from ALL OCCUPIED TERRITORIES.

How about today? --

Any changes come down since those days?

What today are the formal position and policies of this same United States of America which until recently stood by Israel and denounced each and every position taken by both the Arabs as well as the Soviet Union?

Have you ever read George W. Bush's "Roadmap to Peace in The Middle East"?
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[MassuhDGoodName]

Kahane-Was-Right BT:  "LOL!   This is ridiculous.   You are conflating different things. "

And you are flatulating different things with your inability to effectively argue any position without opposing almost every viewpoint expressed on the forum with your cliched "you are conflating the issues".

What?

Did you hear one of your professors or teachers use that phrase "You are conflating the issues!" in a classroom once and thought that it sounded "high-falutin" and perfect for shouting down any opposition?

It only sounds intelligent the first time you use it.

After that, you'd better be prepared to intelligently discuss the issues and your views on them, or be regarded as a "know-nothing" full of "hot air".

Oh, and by the way, someone's talents for producing media for JTF, or their dedicated flagging and praising of videos by JTF or others, even their fluency in Ivrit and participation on the Hebrew Forum, is meaningless and worthless when it comes to their actual abilities in using only the written or spoken word to convince others of the truth in their positions.

[muman613]

Massuh,

We still love you but please relax. America is not nazi germany and the gestapo is not waiting to knock down your door..

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Re:  "LOL!   This is ridiculous."

Yeah.

We'll see how ridiculous you think it is when the man ramrods your front door in at 4am, tazers you when you jump out of bed to see what the hell's going on, shoots your pet dog dead right in front of you, and then carries off your computer, your CD's, your DVD's, your books, along with anything else they see laying around, charge you with "being an accessory to terror and sedition" and "possession of controlled substances" (which they just planted on you while you're tied up sitting on the floor in the corner), take you downtown and book you, and throw you in a cage full of seven rapacious [censored] who love Farakhan.
The next day when your lawyer comes and bails you out, you'll turn on the car radio and hear  "Terror Task Force Arrests follower of Racist Rabbi supporting illegal settlers!"
Case closed.
Guilty when charged.
The whole city will be walking around buzzing about 'Did'ya hear about that Jewish Terrorist they arrested last night?"
"The TV said he was aiding a movement to commit genocide against the Muslims!"
"Had all kinds of drugs!"..."Probably dealing to support the terrorists!"
"A known Obama-hater!"
"Probably in the Tea Party!"
"See!" ... "Just goes to show that not all Terrorists are Muslims!"

Couldn't happen to you, right?

And this scenario is really likely...

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Kahane-Was-Right BT:  "LOL!   This is ridiculous.   You are conflating different things. "

And you are flatulating different things with your inability to effectively argue any position without opposing almost every viewpoint expressed on the forum with your cliched "you are conflating the issues".

What?

Did you hear one of your professors or teachers use that phrase "You are conflating the issues!" in a classroom once and thought that it sounded "high-falutin" and perfect for shouting down any opposition?

It only sounds intelligent the first time you use it.

After that, you'd better be prepared to intelligently discuss the issues and your views on them, or be regarded as a "know-nothing" full of "hot air".

In other words, you have no response to the substance of my post.

We've been through this before.   Accusing me of being unintelligent does not correct your own errors.

A suspect is presumed innocent until proven guilty, but the law enforcement is not assumed unlawful until proving the suspect's guilt!  You employed a logical fallacy.   Wait, do I need to translate that into simpler terms because you'll accuse me of getting these words from a college professor?   Or is this perfectly understandable English that anyone can use?    I assume, as in all cases, that the language I use here can be understood by any literate person.

Oh, and by the way, someone's talents for producing media for JTF, or their dedicated flagging and praising of videos by JTF or others, even their fluency in Ivrit and participation on the Hebrew Forum, is meaningless and worthless when it comes to their actual abilities in using only the written or spoken word to convince others of the truth in their positions.

This is relevant how?

 

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Ari Shayn:  "Wasn't the Holy Land Foundation raising money for Hamas? "

Gee....I don't know, Ari Shayn!

Weren't they merely a humanitarian charity sending money back to Arabs in Gaza for health care and educational purposes for many, many years, backed and praised by Republican candidates and the Governor of Texas, including George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush?

Of course! -

Why, that's what they were!

Operating for years right out in the open as a registered non-profit Charity!

That is ... until Washington had reason to believe they were operating AGAINST newly stated U.S. foreign policy directives.

Didn't Sami al-Aryan have the entire W Bush family down to Florida to celebrate his children's graduation?

And didn't this same Sami al-Aryan contribute heavily to W's campaigns, including rounding up other Arabs here to vote for him and other Republicans?

Why sure!  Dr. al-Aryan was merely a highly respected PhD University Professor as well as a respectable and law abiding American citizen, well known for supporting the GOP and other conservative causes.  Oh! ... OK ... So he wasn't very much for Israel - even being somewhat strongly opinionated about his views, but that was his right as an American!  Everyone has the right to their opinions in America, as well as the right to contribute to legally registered non-profit charitable organizations.  The distinguished Professor never took up arms or joined the PLO or Hamas.  He was a normal family man in south Florida, with a beautiful family, and personal friends with the Bush family - not so much different than the prominent Jewish Americans who contribute to Likud, hosted fund raisers for Ariel Sharon in NY City and Miami, and were highly opinionated about Israel's Arab neighbors.

In other words, Sami Al Arian was your personal friend (or you really admired him) and you're in denial about the fact that he funded Hamas with his so-called charity.  The courts, on the other hand, were convinced that he DID fund Hamas.   Were you at the trial?   Can you dispute the evidence against him?   Or you simply want to believe certain things, facts be damned ?

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "Massuh,  We still love you but please relax. "

I'm completely relaxed.     

[Muck DeFuslims]

Major events, like Pearl Harbour, the Kennedy assassination, the Moon landings, the Rabin killing, the death of Princess Diana etc, conspiracy theories at the least give pause for thought.

On the day of the hijackings the US air defense, by amazing coincidence, happened to be running drills involving "multiple hijackings of aircraft within the USA”. This caused great confusion amongst air traffic controllers, preventing interception of the real hijackings.

The Twin Towers were designed specifically to be able to withstand the impact of a Boeing-sized airliner without collapsing. Their destruction is indeed not blamed on the crashes, but on the fuel fire. But jet fuel is merely refined paraffin, it burning at far below the melting point of steel, as can be seen by its innocuous use in millions of steel heaters and ovens everywhere.

No steel-framed building has ever suffered structural collapse due to fire. Yet within one hour of the impacts, fires supposedly melted the massive steel beams in three buildings, the thickest and strongest ever used in construction, resulting in a total collapse of all the 267 floors in WTCs 1, 2 and 7 (the latter not even being hit), falling neatly into their own atomized footprints, anomalously at exactly the free-fall acceleration due to gravity of 32 feet per second per second, totally without resistance, as if nothing existed beneath them but air, and without leaving any of their steel skeletons standing. (In 1985 I witnessed the controlled demolition of a 22-storey block. It disappeared literally in the blink of an eye, but only because explosives and thermite had been deliberately placed to destroy all critical support members simultaneously in a controlled demolition. The WTC collapses looked eerily similar).

Perplexities such as six months before 9/11 the purchase of the entire asbestos-filled, loss-making World Trade Center complex  for only $200 million, it being insured by its new owner for $7 billion, but solely against terrorist attack. The massive placing days before 9/11 of put options in American and United Airlines. The US president’s behaviour on being told in public of the attack. The initially contradictory statements of Osama bin Laden. The terrorist passports that survived fireballs and landed intact blocks away, whereas none of the four indestructible black boxes were ever found. The terrorist bag that did not make the flight that included the names and details of every hijacker. Cell phones working from 35,000 feet where they had never worked before. Untrained pilots who couldn’t even start a Cessna, suddenly being able to perform complex low level corkscrew maneuvers in airliners at 500mph, something  beyond even jet fighter aces. The statements by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld that Flight 93, believed to be targeting the White House, didn’t crash in Pennsylvania after passengers had stormed the cockpit, but had been “shot down” and that the Pentagon had been “hit by a missile”, not Flight 77 etc etc, has led many scientists, structural engineers, military leaders, Members of Congress, 9/11 Commissioners, victims families, first responders, pilots and air traffic controllers, to claim that at the least some US agencies, possibly including those of Pakistan and Israel, had some foreknowledge of the attack.

Amongst many speculations are “false-flag” operations, whereby a ruling power stages attacks against its own assets or allies in order to further far reaching agendas (such as oil, corporate profits, invasions and world hegemony) e.g. Nero’s burning of Rome, the USS Maine incident, the Mukden incident, the Reichstag fire, Operation Himmler, the Lavon Affair, Operation Northwoods, the Gulf of Tonkin incident etc.

"This process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor." (from the US Government's “Project for a New American Century” Thinktank, 2000)."We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order" (David Rockefeller addressing the UN in 1994).

Interestingly, the Zohar (Balak 212) says that on 25th Elul “three lofty towers in the city of Rome will collapse”. The Vilna Gaon said that the date should be corrected to read 23rd Elul, which in 2001 fell on……September 11!
 
The main miracle is that had the collapses occurred a few hours later, there could have been 40,000 deaths, instead of 3,000 (400 of whom were Jews, lo aleinu).

Adding wonga66 to my 'mentally disturbed, idiot' list....

Yes, I know it's rude to call another forum member an idiot, but in this case I'd rather be rude than silently tolerate such idiocy.

Anyone that thinks the WTC collapse was a result of a controlled demolition is an idiot. Period. End of story.

The idiot wonga claims to have witnessed a controlled demolition in 1985 that was eerily similar to the WTC collapse. What the idiot wonga didn't witness was the hours, days and weeks of preparatory work that went into the collapse he observed in 1985. The drilling of holes, planting of explosives, and wiring assuredly took many, many hours. Does the idiot wonga believe that such a massive undertaking could have occurred at the WTC and not been noticed ? And furthermore, does the idiot wonga actually believe that the 'planners' could have set up the demolition so that the collapse would begin at exactly the same floors that the hijacked airliners smashed into ?

I'm sorry wonga, if you truly believe the WTC collapse was the result of a controlled demolition, you're either a mental midget or mentally disturbed or both.

I'll give you credit for one thing though, at least you don't subscribe to the 'no Jews perished at the WTC' idiocy that so many of your 9/11 conspiracy cohorts ridiculously adhere to.

Nonetheless, you're still an idiot.

As far as Barry Chamish goes, I'm not familiar with his stance concerning 9/11, but if he believes it was a controlled demolition -- he's an idiot too. I've heard him several times on the Tamar Yonah show on A7, and he comes off as a scatter-brained, rambling, paranoid delusional. That's not to say that some aspects of his 'investigative reporting' might actually have some credence. After all, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

But let's be absolutley clear, the twin towers did not collapse as a result of a controlled demolition, and anyone that thinks they did is a certified moron.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Kahane-Was-Right BT:  (to me)  In other words, Sami Al Arian was your personal friend (or you really admired him) and you're in denial about the fact that he funded Hamas with his so-called charity.  The courts, on the other hand, were convinced that he DID fund Hamas.   Were you at the trial?   Can you dispute the evidence against him?   Or you simply want to believe certain things, facts be damned ?

Afraid your usual childish bullsh_it ain't gonna' work anymore, terd.

You're either a smart_a_s_s punk, or your parents dropped you on your head.

Either way, go flag some more videos for Chaim and make use of your pathetic self.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Major events, like Pearl Harbour, the Kennedy assassination, the Moon landings, the Rabin killing, the death of Princess Diana etc, conspiracy theories at the least give pause for thought.

On the day of the hijackings the US air defense, by amazing coincidence, happened to be running drills involving "multiple hijackings of aircraft within the USA”. This caused great confusion amongst air traffic controllers, preventing interception of the real hijackings.

The Twin Towers were designed specifically to be able to withstand the impact of a Boeing-sized airliner without collapsing. Their destruction is indeed not blamed on the crashes, but on the fuel fire. But jet fuel is merely refined paraffin, it burning at far below the melting point of steel, as can be seen by its innocuous use in millions of steel heaters and ovens everywhere.

No steel-framed building has ever suffered structural collapse due to fire. Yet within one hour of the impacts, fires supposedly melted the massive steel beams in three buildings, the thickest and strongest ever used in construction, resulting in a total collapse of all the 267 floors in WTCs 1, 2 and 7 (the latter not even being hit), falling neatly into their own atomized footprints, anomalously at exactly the free-fall acceleration due to gravity of 32 feet per second per second, totally without resistance, as if nothing existed beneath them but air, and without leaving any of their steel skeletons standing. (In 1985 I witnessed the controlled demolition of a 22-storey block. It disappeared literally in the blink of an eye, but only because explosives and thermite had been deliberately placed to destroy all critical support members simultaneously in a controlled demolition. The WTC collapses looked eerily similar).

Perplexities such as six months before 9/11 the purchase of the entire asbestos-filled, loss-making World Trade Center complex  for only $200 million, it being insured by its new owner for $7 billion, but solely against terrorist attack. The massive placing days before 9/11 of put options in American and United Airlines. The US president’s behaviour on being told in public of the attack. The initially contradictory statements of Osama bin Laden. The terrorist passports that survived fireballs and landed intact blocks away, whereas none of the four indestructible black boxes were ever found. The terrorist bag that did not make the flight that included the names and details of every hijacker. Cell phones working from 35,000 feet where they had never worked before. Untrained pilots who couldn’t even start a Cessna, suddenly being able to perform complex low level corkscrew maneuvers in airliners at 500mph, something  beyond even jet fighter aces. The statements by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld that Flight 93, believed to be targeting the White House, didn’t crash in Pennsylvania after passengers had stormed the cockpit, but had been “shot down” and that the Pentagon had been “hit by a missile”, not Flight 77 etc etc, has led many scientists, structural engineers, military leaders, Members of Congress, 9/11 Commissioners, victims families, first responders, pilots and air traffic controllers, to claim that at the least some US agencies, possibly including those of Pakistan and Israel, had some foreknowledge of the attack.

Amongst many speculations are “false-flag” operations, whereby a ruling power stages attacks against its own assets or allies in order to further far reaching agendas (such as oil, corporate profits, invasions and world hegemony) e.g. Nero’s burning of Rome, the USS Maine incident, the Mukden incident, the Reichstag fire, Operation Himmler, the Lavon Affair, Operation Northwoods, the Gulf of Tonkin incident etc.

"This process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor." (from the US Government's “Project for a New American Century” Thinktank, 2000)."We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order" (David Rockefeller addressing the UN in 1994).

Interestingly, the Zohar (Balak 212) says that on 25th Elul “three lofty towers in the city of Rome will collapse”. The Vilna Gaon said that the date should be corrected to read 23rd Elul, which in 2001 fell on……September 11!
 
The main miracle is that had the collapses occurred a few hours later, there could have been 40,000 deaths, instead of 3,000 (400 of whom were Jews, lo aleinu).

Adding wonga66 to my 'mentally disturbed, idiot' list....

Yes, I know it's rude to call another forum member an idiot, but in this case I'd rather be rude than silently tolerate such idiocy.

Anyone that thinks the WTC collapse was a result of a controlled demolition is an idiot. Period. End of story.

The idiot wonga claims to have witnessed a controlled demolition in 1985 that was eerily similar to the WTC collapse. What the idiot wonga didn't witness was the hours, days and weeks of preparatory work that went into the collapse he observed in 1985. The drilling of holes, planting of explosives, and wiring assuredly took many, many hours. Does the idiot wonga believe that such a massive undertaking could have occurred at the WTC and not been noticed ? And furthermore, does the idiot wonga actually believe that the 'planners' could have set up the demolition so that the collapse would begin at exactly the same floors that the hijacked airliners smashed into ?

I'm sorry wonga, if you truly believe the WTC collapse was the result of a controlled demolition, you're either a mental midget or mentally disturbed or both.

I'll give you credit for one thing though, at least you don't subscribe to the 'no Jews perished at the WTC' idiocy that so many of your 9/11 conspiracy cohorts ridiculously adhere to.

Nonetheless, you're still an idiot.

As far as Barry Chamish goes, I'm not familiar with his stance concerning 9/11, but if he believes it was a controlled demolition -- he's an idiot too. I've heard him several times on the Tamar Yonah show on A7, and he comes off as a scatter-brained, rambling, paranoid delusional. That's not to say that some aspects of his 'investigative reporting' might actually have some credence. After all, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

But let's be absolutley clear, the twin towers did not collapse as a result of a controlled demolition, and anyone that thinks they did is a certified moron.

So now you realize why he's called a conspiracy theorist "by the very people on this forum" and that it has nothing to do with Shimon Perez and peace now?

I'll quote for you from Chamish's own article that he himself wrote:

" The fabulous folks who brought Israel "peace" helped bring down the three World Trade Center buildings. It was the third, an obscure little 47 storey building, that assures us this statement is true."

He brings up building 7 relentlessly.  He claims it was taken down in controlled demolition by larry silverstein.  Rather than link to the article, I'll quote another pertinent portion:

     WTC was owned by two Jews, one Israeli. The ground floor space was acquired by Frank Lowy, a self-confessed Mossad agent, who emigrated to Australia from Israel in 1952, and owned the 99-year lease for the 425,000 square foot retail portion of the destroyed World Trade Center.

     The owner of the whole complex was Larry Silverstein.

     Silverstein was interested in acquiring the entire World Trade Center complex, and put in a bid when the Port Authority put it up for lease in 2000. Silverstein won the bid when a deal between the initial winner and the Port Authority fell through, and he signed the lease on July 24, 2001, only weeks before the towers were destroyed in the 9-11 attacks. Following the attacks, Silverstein was awarded an insurance payment of more than three and a half billion dollars to settle his seven-week-old insurance policy. In addition, the Silverstein group sued the insurers liable for the World Trade Center for another three and a half billion dollars, claiming that by an obscure clause in their contract, the two planes constituted two separate terrorist attacks. In total, Silverstein was awarded nearly $7.2 billion in insurance money following the destruction of the Twin Towers.

     And that's why all the guys call him Lucky Larry.

     But that name may not stick for long because at 5:20 PM, in the shadows of the smoldering buildings 1 and 2, Larry ordered 47 storey Building 7 collapsed. And down it came in a perfect controlled demolition.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5akpnIFK-RM

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Needless to say, it took months of precise engineering work to organize this decision to "pull" the building. So how did Larry know his building was rigged with demolition explosives? Come on, Larry, tell us! HOWDJA KNOW?

     The most logical reason why Building 7 had to be brought down was that Flight 93 was supposed to have crashed into it but, inexplicably, crashed instead into Pennsylvania. With fire marshals snooping around, the whole plot would be exposed unless Building 7 was quickly destroyed.

It is because of comments and views like this that many people consider his work a joke, even if some of it somewhere in there might contain some truth.   That is tragic because whatever truth he does uncover - even this is discredited by his own stupidity and poor reputation.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Kahane-Was-Right BT:  (to me)  In other words, Sami Al Arian was your personal friend (or you really admired him) and you're in denial about the fact that he funded Hamas with his so-called charity.  The courts, on the other hand, were convinced that he DID fund Hamas.   Were you at the trial?   Can you dispute the evidence against him?   Or you simply want to believe certain things, facts be damned ?

Afraid your usual childish bullsh_it ain't gonna' work anymore, terd.

You're either a smart_a_s_s punk, or your parents dropped you on your head.

Either way, go flag some more videos for Chaim and make use of your pathetic self.

Actually, I don't usually flag videos.   Care to elaborate on what you mean?

You're either a smart_a_s_s punk, or your parents dropped you on your head.

So when I disagree with your point of view and show that it reflects bias and logical fallacy, this is called "childish bullsh_it?"   Why do you resort to pitiful displays like this instead of just engaging in argument?   Are your views really sitting on foundations this weak that insult is the only response?   Yes, anyone who disagrees with Massuh must be childish and an idiot and offensive.   And they also flag youtube videos.